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Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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>Much the same way that Americans will all claim to be democrats I'm not a democrat and I'm American.

What's wrong with democracy?

It requires people to be educated about what they are voting on. Having people spend time educating themselves wastes a lot of societal time. Voting doesn't scale well so people end up delegating their votes to someone else who usually doesn't have the same exact beliefs and may vote different than themselves. It turns into a popularity contest. The process of making decisions can be slow.

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I think in this instance "democrat" is being used to mean "supporter of democracy". I don't think you aren't an American if you aren't a supporter of democracy, per se, but I do think the principle is a fairly core tenet of what it is, or at least is supposed to be, to be "American". I would be unsurprised if other people said you were un-American for feeling this way.

Sorry no, democracy is not a core tenant of America... Core tenant's of America's founding where Individual rights and self governance. The Founders took great pains to LIMIT the amount of democracy in our system, because they understood the problems with democracy. The house of Representatives was the only democratically elected part of the government for a reason. We ignored them at our own peril..

Yes, a core tenet of the USA was to limit how much democracy black people, poor people and women could have. It's much worse now.... apparently.

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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The BLM movement and the BLM organization are different. Much the same way that Americans will all claim to be democrats but less than half will claim to be Democrats.

In the eyes of most people they are the same. Using obvious words in subtle ways makes it hard to people to differentiate. Just as Republicans don't claim to be democrats, defund the police means removing all funding for police, etc.

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What's wrong with democracy?

Not answering your question, but making sure the clarification is made that we (in the USA) do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Constitutional Republic. I know, I know... some people cringe when someone points this out, but it's true.

It depends on how you define "democracy".

I'm not inclined to participate in an argument about it here, but there are valid points of view other than the one you assert.

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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post #24

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Sorry no, democracy is not a core tenant of America... Core tenant's of America's founding where Individual rights and self governance. The Founders took great pains to LIMIT the amount of democracy in our system, because they understood the problems with democracy. The house of Representatives was the only democratically elected part of the government for a reason. We ignored them at our own peril..

Yes, a core te net of the USA was to limit how much democracy black people, poor people and women could have. It's much worse now.... apparently.

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Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Exactly. I don't know why everyone including the big tech companies fell for the BLM grift so that they could scam their 'supporters' into taking the money and now running off with their donations which was used to buy properties, mansions, etc. How could they be so gullible?

Because they had a problem and they wanted a solution. It's basically "blackwashing" and BLMGNF (good night funds?) was there to "sell" them the solution to a problem they were facing.

There's basically zero desire to actually really work on any problem that isn't related to their stock portfolio, so they jump at it and post some PR and then they're done.

Happens time and time again, more or less legit depending. Look up donations to environmental groups whilst the business doesn't change much if anything about what they do.

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think in this instance "democrat" is being used to mean "supporter of democracy". I don't think you aren't an American if you aren't a supporter of democracy, per se, but I do think the principle is a fairly core tenet of what it is, or at least is supposed to be, to be "American". I would be unsurprised if other people said you were un-American for feeling this way.

Sorry no, democracy is not a core tenant of America... Core tenant's of America's founding where Individual rights and self governance. The Founders took great pains to LIMIT the amount of democracy in our system, because they understood the problems with democracy. The house of Representatives was the only democratically elected part of the government for a reason. We ignored them at our own peril..

> self governance.

This is democracy. You cannot have self-governance without democracy. If not everyone is enfranchised, not everyone has self-governance. You can quibble about representative democracy, but it's still democracy at its core.

Now yes, as the other poster mentions, many of the tenets of the founders' approach to representative democracy were intended to limit political participation by people who were not white, male, and landowners. Thankfully, many of those policies [edit: have since been changed].

> The house of Representatives was the only democratically elected part of the government for a reason. We ignored them at our own peril..

Keep in mind that by the definition you're using here, there's a solid argument to make that neither the US senate nor the US presidential elections are "democratic" today due to the inherent undemocratic nature of the electoral college and differing vote values of residents of different states. So this is still the case, and perhaps you've misidentified the problem.

(I always wonder why we deify a bunch of mostly 30 year olds from 270 years ago as though they had the perfect ideas about government and we haven't learned anything in the intervening centuries)

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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Or, it's because the IRS revoked their tax exempt status. https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=473691474&name=... Amazon doesn't really get a choice in the matter here.

That's a different and completely unrelated [1] organization that happens to have a similar name (Black Lives Matter Foundation vs Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation). [1] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/black-lives-mat...

BLMF was a single person running a small scam.

BLMGN was a small group running a big scam. It was mostly a sink for corporate "blackwashing" PR spend, as megacorps rushed to fake "doing something woke" in 2020.

Both hijacked the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter for profit.

Re: Amazon suspends Black Lives Matter from its charity platform

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The BLM movement and the BLM organization are different. Much the same way that Americans will all claim to be democrats but less than half will claim to be Democrats.

> The BLM movement and the BLM organization are different. Much the same way that Americans will all claim to be democrats but less than half will claim to be Democrats.

It's more different than that between the BLM movement and the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation organization (which, despite the domain name, isn't the sole BLM organization); among the groups at odds with BLMGNF are either a substantial minority or perhaps even an actual majority of the former local chapters, BLMGNF has apparently been leaderless for most of a year after failing to reach a deal with the two people that were supposed to take over last May as coleads to replace the outgoing executive director.

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