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Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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Sounds incel-y? It screams it. Let see, calls women who have sex "sl*ts". Says it's easier for women. Says older men are more attractive than women. It checks all the boxes for a redpill/incel nonsense.

Yet lets ignore the proven statistics showing woman avg higher number of sexual partners in their life than men.

And that somehow makes women sluts? Who cares how many sexual partners they have? That's their business, not yours.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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I'm 10 years older than you, and this doesn't resonate with me at all. Having sex shouldn't be exhausting. It's fun and easy. In fact, your whole post makes me tired just reading it. You sound exhausted. I hope you can find a way to get some rest.

Sex is a process, its the foreplay and the physical goodness.

Yeah of course it is fun, and makes your body hurt the next day.

But it is a process, and spending 30 minuets to do something I can rub out in a few minuets isn't always worth it. I am tired, and rest is not an option.

Even when you go on vacation, you are not resting. You are working to allow your kids to have fun. You come home more tired than when you left.

Yeah sexy is fun, and easy. when the time is right. Who has time these days. Time is the one thing I wish I had more of every day.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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Not as much porn use as very regular ejaculation. I have started to look into sexuality and tantra, and it really seems like there are some effects people will only see after 5-6 days abstinence. And yes, the added energy will definitely also make men more willing to do the hunt, if they don't ejaculate 2 times a day. Porn, however, seems to be the enabler of so much ejaculation. Then again: The risk / unknowns of ge…

> the added energy will definitely also make men more willing to do the hunt You know this sounds creepy right? Misogynistic? Women are more than trophies to be won in a hunt. They're people, just like you and I.

Well, this is only in the context of courtship, which is _inherently_ sexually polarizing. You most _definitely should not_ bring this view into the work place. In that case you are in your right to call is misogynistic.

And this comment is also a prime example of the derailment that leads to the vanilla meeting between the genders.

(I expect people to be able the read "masculine core" for men and "feminine core" for women)

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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The societal/behavioral changes are interesting, but what about the physiological changes? Significant declines in sperm counts Increased medicating; ADHD, Anxiety, Depression, Hormonal Birth Control Childhood Obesity over 20% in the US

Of these, the sperm count strikes me as more causal, while the others may be results of some problem.

Granted, the decline in sperm count is caused by something, but in relation to impact on behaviors, the decline will cause (as proxy) changes, and of those changes could be the increased medication, for example.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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I'm 10 years older than you, and this doesn't resonate with me at all. Having sex shouldn't be exhausting. It's fun and easy. In fact, your whole post makes me tired just reading it. You sound exhausted. I hope you can find a way to get some rest.

Sex is a process, its the foreplay and the physical goodness. Yeah of course it is fun, and makes your body hurt the next day. But it is a process, and spending 30 minuets to do something I can rub out in a few minuets isn't always worth it. I am tired, and rest is not an option. Even when you go on vacation, you are not resting. You are working to allow your kids to have fun. You come home more tired than when you l…

If you're not having sex this attitude is part of the reason why.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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I don't agree at all that they are a lazy generation. They've just been presented with little to no economic opportunities, especially in areas that many of them care about like climate collapse, which is an in-our-lifetime threat to them. There's not much in the way of an economic ladder, and many are saddled with a great deal of student debt because they've had it drilled into them that a degree is the only way to…

I've had so many Gen Z interns that I've noticed they dont care about being fired from a job right out of College. Little Drive to keep themselves busy. They don't like to ask questions, and would rather do something wrong than ask and do it right the first time. Even If I show them how to do it right the first time, if you forget, just ask. There isn't much of a ladder to climb as Millennials are still there to fill…

This argument is literally just true about teenagers and young adults in general, and has been true throughout history. "The youth of today" through the ages: https://proto-knowledge.blogspot.com/2010/11/what-is-wrong-w...

Fact of the matter is that people mature as they age, and gain responsibilities that require them to knuckle down.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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One of my greatest problems is knowing what is right and wrong when courting for a mate. The rules are changing so rapidly that what I learned in sex-ed is outdated, and not even talking about what my parents could teach me. The public discourse on sex is also mostly negative and discouraging. And this is what we meditate on a daily basis -- when you hear more about women feeling the need to wear, well weapons, when…

I've been out of the game for so long that maybe I'm completely out of touch, but if I was to re-enter the market for some reason, I'd approach this more as a challenge to get to know people and make friends rather than a quick way to get to rub genitals together. That would basically lead to ignoring anyone expecting to be courted, but I don't think I'd lose much in that. Following stupid dating game rules is stupid…

I am not entirely sure what this is a response to. Had I written Neil Strauss and the PUA movement, it would have seemed merited?

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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A large component is hormonal birth control. We chemically castrate young girls before the point of sexual maturity. It crushes their libido for the duration of use and may inhibit full development. My wife on hormonal birth control is the not the same person as she is off. Its sad the article didn't address this topic at all. When you get finasteride for hair loss the first thing they tell you about is sexual side e…

I don't think birth control explains much of the difference, since usage of hormonal birth control in North America and Europe is only up ~2 percentage points since 1994 [0].

A potentially larger factor from the medication angle is antidepressants - usage of those is up ~10 percentage points over the same time frame, and decreased libido is a common side effect of many of the most frequently prescribed antidepressants. (I think this is probably also a minor factor compared to cultural explanations, but I'm mentioning it for the sake of completeness.)

[0] https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.deve...

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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When it comes to your kids, everyone should want to set them up for life. My goal even from a young age before kids was to build generational wealth. We live in a world where money makes a big difference in lifestyle. Living Paycheck to Paycheck is a shitty way to live life. I did plenty of that early in life, and grew up in a house hold that lived paycheck to paycheck. I don't want that for my kids.

Way to miss the point. You could be the King of England for all I care, if your relationship with your wife depends on how much you make compared to her, you have a lot (a lot!) of soul searching to do.

It's also "if your wife's relationship with you depends on how much she makes compared with you she has a lot of soul searching to do."

Historically women have married up in status. They still have that preference but that preference is not realistic now that more women are rising up higher in the workforce.

Re: Why are young people having so little sex? (2018)

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I see incels as collateral damage from the the Gender Wars. A schism intentionally driven to supplement the broader Culture Wars. I only expect this to get worse and have no idea how it will end. Incels show up in stats but most everyone is suffering. I do know that victim blaming will continue while we learn the hard way why we had traditions in the first place.

I wouldn't say there are any culture or gender wars going on. I think, it's simply the patriarchy is crumbling. With virtually mandatory monogamy, women had to see where to get a mate after the "top 20%" were gone, now they simply share the "good ones", whatever that means. The other side was obviously, the "bottom 80%" of men had to put in less effort, because they just had to wait for the women who didn't get "a go…

Young men were already low social status, and now they’re even lower. Often judged on immutable characteristics like hight.

In my opinion none of what you are proposing will happen. There will be a substantial uncontrolled reaction. In my opinion men and women need each other and if men withdraw and stop trying women will also suffer.

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