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Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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If the thin widget is directly against the edge of the viewport, maybe. If it's literally anywhere else on the screen , then no, Fitts's Law applies, and it's a bad target. It has height but no width . This is especially true for those with motor or visual handicaps, or both. It's damned near unusable even with very modest levels of distraction or other factors, e.g., using a device as a passenger on a moving vehicle…

> If the thin widget is directly against the edge of the viewport, maybe. It is. Visually there's space between the scroll handle and the window edge, but if you actually point the cursor in that space it'll highlight the handle.

This feels pretty weird on macOS in a way I never realized, because I thought you were wrong but you're actually right -- you can slam the cursor right against the right edge of the screen and the scroll handle lights up and you can click and drag it if you start an up/down mouse motion -- but the cursor changes to the left-right resize one and if you start by moving left/right it resizes the window instead and the scrolling motion is cancelled.

I guess thinking about it this is a very reasonable compromise, but it feels weird to start scrolling up and down with a cursor that shows a left-right arrow and that is technically pointing outside of the scroll bar.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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I love that some work is going into UI design, but there are a few things I really dislike in gnome apps. For example using a hamburger menu instead of a regular menu or icons instead of text for buttons.

Combined with the fact that without the top menu bar you can no longer use the Alt-combinations to get to the corresponding menu (e.g. Alt-F for file menu). Motor-memory is hard to reprogram so I'm not a fan of the latest Gnome "usability" choices.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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post #279

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I am very displeased by Snap being shoved down one's throat on Ubuntu. This has caused me to actually abandon Ubuntu completely. Linux mint and Debian now.

I’m kind of expecting snaps to be a fad on Ubuntu. They really don’t seem to buy much and have nontrivial overhead.

Canonical really likes to develop their own technologies for some reason rather than use RedHat's. Upstart vs. SystemD, Mir vs. Wayland, Snap vs. Flatpak. Ideally there should be one standard for each with perhaps multiple implementations but for some reason it takes a lot of time wasted on duplicated effort before Canonical gives up. Not sure who really is making better cooperation here impossible but so far it seams RedHat's versions tend to be winning in the end, probably because they at least pretend to be openly developed with community involvement and don't focus on just one distro.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Not to mention, some people just want to theme their desktop. To make the computer feel like it's theirs.

> Please read the letter all the way to the end. This is aimed at distributions breaking apps by default, not tinkerers playing with their own setup. https://stopthemingmy.app/

This is the most misleading part of the entire text on that website, almost as if it was written by a skilled poltician who knows how to lie on your face.

They say that they're not against tinkerers but that's exactly what they've done with libadwaita and libgranite.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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> I really hope in this new wave people could make some consensus on the visual of Linux desktop. Consensus over the whole scope of open source?? That's never going to happen.

I mean the consensus about the visual/UX style like we have on Windows or Android. It's not that hard, I believe.

On windows and android was consensus reached between all interested parties or was consensus reached within microsoft/google?

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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The "don't theme my app" movement is really harmful to the application ecosystem. Especially true for users with partial visual impairments, but also for other users that want to have a consistent style on their desktops or phones.

Gnome has a high contrast mode and UI font size options. What do custom themes add for accessibility?

Is that high contrast mode, their dark mode colors, and their font choice supposed to work for everyone?

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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post #129

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> I do not understand why the default is so thin. For scroll/touch users, the scrollbar has become an indicator only, and not so much a tool for scrolling, to show where on the document the window is.

For mouse too, actually. I grew up with scroll wheel mice so I literally never had a reason to use a scrollbar to scroll.

Scroll wheel tends to be quite slow compared to dragging the scrollbar for large views so they really don't replace each other.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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post #449

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You can use FreeOffice instead of LibreOffice, it has a more refined UI. https://www.freeoffice.com/en/

Is the Ribbon-like toolbar out of... whatever protection it had from getting implemented in other applications?

It's possible to design a ribbon bar that does not infringe on MS patents. IRC there are only valid patents for specific parts of the MS ribbon bar, not the whole bar.

"Although Microsoft popularized the term with a new meaning, similar tabbed layouts of controls had existed in previous software from other vendors, including 3D Studio Max R3 and later, Adobe Dreamweaver, Borland Delphi, HotDog and Macromedia HomeSite." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_(computing)

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