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Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by floatboth »

Jenk wrote: post #129
rland wrote: post #64

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I found a solution for Firfox on Ubuntu MATE: 1. go to about:config 2. find widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override 3. Change to some pixel value (I have mine set at 26). voila! I do not understand why the default is so thin. Really bucks the trend of every UI element being touch-screen large nowadays!

> I do not understand why the default is so thin. For scroll/touch users, the scrollbar has become an indicator only, and not so much a tool for scrolling, to show where on the document the window is.

For mouse too, actually. I grew up with scroll wheel mice so I literally never had a reason to use a scrollbar to scroll.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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pingsl wrote: post #333

I use Windows/MacOS/Linux(Ubuntu) on a regular base. As a ordinary end user, I feel 1. Windows software are usually good at product function design. 2. Mac has a better enforcement on overall UX. The visual across different software (from different vendors) are much consistent. 3. Linux desktop is unfortunately still missing above 2 points. Some Linux distro provides really good visual, but it only applies to its bui…

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Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by greggsy »

taeric wrote: post #246
greggsy wrote: post #233

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Shift+Command+5 gives you the full screenshot experience, and let’s you define where to put it (Desktop, clipboard, etc.) Once you select a location, it will be the default for next time. Preview let’s you create a PDF pretty easily? No idea what’s going on with your restart issue tho.

Thanks for the 5 tip! Hopefully I remember that. Not clear how to use preview to make a pdf with multiple images. I'm guessing that is something that is easy if you have to do it often? I'd probably reach for html or word. Probably word, first.

If you open the thumbnail pane, you can drag pages between other documents opened in Preview, including images.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by floatboth »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #324
viraptor wrote: post #291

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There's a difference between "we'll test and support two color schemes" and "we'll design ui with parametrised colors, shapes and text sizes which can adjust to any change and still be usable". If we settle on bright/dark/colorblind mode selectors that everyone expects to be supported, I'm happy. I've seen themes in the past and there was always a few apps which just can't resize elements in the expected way, or the…

Ok, then don't support it. But don't patronise me. Don't tell me I couldn't possibly wield the power of recolouring a piece of UI without hurting myself, and deny me the chance to even try.

No one can deny you anything with FOSS. Go ahead, edit everything, just please don't complain to the developers that something broke because of that.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by beepbooptheory »

wildrhythms wrote: post #339
beepbooptheory wrote: post #222

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Learn a little about imagemagick [1], it will change your life! Edit: also, I bet doing an rclone mount of your Dropbox will be pretty seamless and stable, havent tested this personally though [2]. If you don't like the command line interfaces, then yeah you are probably better off with a Mac. 1. https://imagemagick.org/ 2. https://rclone.org/dropbox/

I don't want to annotate an image with a CLI, and neither do you. And a CLI is the worst UI possible for a visual task like editing an image. Apple figured this out 38 years ago with MacPaint.

Maybe not a single image, for some ephemeral task I guess, I was more just responding to the gp:

>Convert pdf to png. Assemble multiple images into a pdf. Quickly share with someone else over chat. Normal productivity stuff.

But I don't really know what to say: I very much do prefer the cli! Even if it takes some trial and error, finding the right script that does exactly what you want gives you a reproducible and concise record of your alterations, so if you are in a position where you need to make, say, 100 images with similar annotations, possibly from a csv file or something, you can just do it! Also, it's lightweight, it's a comprehensible process, you know exactly what you are doing, rather than in some alienated userspace where you can never be sure.

I won't argue anyone "wants to", but I know what I want I think!

Pinta [1] is a lightweight MS Paint type program with broad support and a BSD license. It just works.

1. https://www.pinta-project.com/

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by Melatonic »

rland wrote: post #64
floren wrote: post #36

These applications look really pretty and all, but for my selfish purposes, I just really want real goddamn scrollbars back. I use a mouse that doesn't have a scroll wheel, but for the life of me I've been unable to figure out how to make applications like Firefox just give me a real scroll bar on the side of the window that's thick enough to grab without fiddly pixel-hunting.

I found a solution for Firfox on Ubuntu MATE: 1. go to about:config 2. find widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override 3. Change to some pixel value (I have mine set at 26). voila! I do not understand why the default is so thin. Really bucks the trend of every UI element being touch-screen large nowadays!

Does not seem to affect my Firefox setup on Windows but I need to do more testing. I have a scrollwheel on my mouse and still hate the damn tiny scrollbars!

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by floatboth »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #322
jamesgeck0 wrote: post #310

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- Gnome includes high contrast and dark modes and encourages app developers to test against them. - Requiring apps not to use custom colors alone won’t fix it. Any bespoke UI element an app includes is at risk of breakage when a custom theme redefines the entire world. https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2018/10/15/restyling-apps-a...

I build bespoke UI elements for iOS apps all the time and building them in such a way that they look and function correctly not only across light/dark and accessibility modes but also future OS versions is not that difficult, and with how they’re built I don’t see them breaking even if iOS took on a radically different appearance. They might not match perfectly but usability will not be impacted. If this is not reaso…

> not only across light/dark and accessibility modes but also future OS versions

When Apple makes a future OS versions they are expected to avoid breaking apps.

The comparison here would be not to future iOS versions, but to arbitrary jailbreak tweaks that overhaul the look system-wide. You're not ensuring that will look good with your app ;)

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by Teknoman117 »

pingsl wrote: post #333

I use Windows/MacOS/Linux(Ubuntu) on a regular base. As a ordinary end user, I feel 1. Windows software are usually good at product function design. 2. Mac has a better enforcement on overall UX. The visual across different software (from different vendors) are much consistent. 3. Linux desktop is unfortunately still missing above 2 points. Some Linux distro provides really good visual, but it only applies to its bui…

> I really hope in this new wave people could make some consensus on the visual of Linux desktop.

Consensus over the whole scope of open source?? That's never going to happen.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by yellowapple »

pingsl wrote: post #333

I use Windows/MacOS/Linux(Ubuntu) on a regular base. As a ordinary end user, I feel 1. Windows software are usually good at product function design. 2. Mac has a better enforcement on overall UX. The visual across different software (from different vendors) are much consistent. 3. Linux desktop is unfortunately still missing above 2 points. Some Linux distro provides really good visual, but it only applies to its bui…

> Some Linux distro provides really good visual, but it only applies to its built–in programs. If you'd like to switch to the external programs, the system visual might be fragmented.

I've noticed that this has improved considerably when using KDE; on both Slackware and openSUSE, KDE and non-KDE applications both seem to look and work equivalently great. There are of course some applications I use that don't match the overall system's look and feel (Steam, Ardour, and SolveSpace all come to mind), but they're squarely in the minority at this point.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by beepbooptheory »

wildrhythms wrote: post #342
anthk wrote: post #281

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From ImageMagick: convert bla.pdf bla.png convert *.png output.pdf

Is this really easier than cmd+space "Preview" File > Export > PDF? Be honest.

I almost can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not!

It's gotta on some level be at least apples/oranges right? You describe a process with more steps, that involves launching a GUI app to do one thing. Maybe its more intuitive, but I would argue the interface makes the user, not the other way around.

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