YES. I have lived on some incredibly busy streets in New York. Cities aren't loud. Cars are loud.
It was remarkable just how quiet NYC was recently during a snow storm. Cars weren't out and about and it was heaven.
New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars
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I don't completely understand it but California laws seem to permit the sale of new motorcycles with very old designs. It appears that the laws come into force when a new model needs to be certified, or something like that. So you can buy a brand new XR650L from Honda, that still has a 1980s carbureted engine design and no catalytic converter, and that's a CARB-compliant bike for some reason.
California is no different than the rest of the US in this. Probably because motorcycles account for nearly nothing in terms of actual miles driven/ridden. It’s incredibly common to find 10+ year old bikes with People just notice them because bikes are novel when on the road. No different than seeing an exotic car. See: https://www.bts.gov/content/us-vehicle-miles They’re less than 1% of miles accounted for. Trivial…
Note that the largest source of fugitive hydrocarbons is parked motorcycles, because 1) CARB estimates that about 30% of bikes in the state have had their evap canisters removed, and 2) even the ones that still have their canisters can't work for more than about 7 days, so a motorcycle that doesn't have the engine started for more than a week leaks as much fuel as one that never had California emissions equipment in the first place.
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#413One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.
That’s because the last thing anyone wants is a loud noise complaint to escalate into a shooting.
If they're not willing to do the job then they need to get a different job.
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That’s because the last thing anyone wants is a loud noise complaint to escalate into a shooting.
And since legislation to have unarmed officers handle non-violent citations has gone nowhere in the last decade the push is now for just eliminating all the minor citations that, historically, have selective enforcement against the already vulnerable and tackling them differently. Jaywalking is a good example, it doesn't get enforced basically ever and when it does it's overwhelmingly poor minorities. So the city has…
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Anh. The "testimony" is the recording. A lawyer cross-examining the computer would simply be met by the computer continuing to replay the recording over and over. Obviously verbiage from the 18th century isn't going to be able to deal with the concept of a modern digital computer, and needs to be updated as such. Computers are here to stay; old crufty ideas about semantics are rather more ephemeral.
If it needs to be updated, you actually have to update it, though. You can't just pretend it isn't the law anymore.
Well, in particular my argument is that there isn't a legal issue with the computer being an accuser. Just that the accused doing the confronting might not get what they want out of it. I mean, what's the definition of 'confront' in this context?
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They used to do this when red light cameras were popular in California. You could just write a letter saying the person in the pic wasn't you. As long as the ticket is tied to a driver you can basically get away with it via this route. If the ticket is for the vehicle owner then yes I could see this working. Perfect for emissions violations and vehicle code violations. You could also double-check for stolen license p…
>You could just write a letter saying the person in the pic wasn't you. As long as the ticket is tied to a driver you can basically get away with it via this route. That seems like an asinine way to apply that law. If the vehicle is registered to you, it's your responsibility. Lent it to your uncle and he rolled a stop? Well, the car's registered to an owner, that's their problem to sort out.
The vehicle is my responsibility, but that's not proof that I committed the crime.
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And where’s the privacy in that? I’m walking down a public street in the largest city in America talking out loud. There’s nothing private about that situation.
Perhaps a couple strangers would hear a few words but don't know who you are. If police or other state agency are pervasively watching, listening, and recording, I think you would agree that is quite a different situation.
A cop can still legally follow me around and overhear my conversation with a recorder
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Motorcycles are loud outside the car, nobody argues that. Most cars have heavy sound insulation though. E.g. I can hear emergency sirens but just because of the different spectrum, if it had been engine sound at the same level I'd likely would not notice most of the time.
I mean from inside a car. The sound is very noticeable, stopped or within 2-3 car lengths while driving.
If I'm driving 30 or 40 mph then I will not hear a loud motorcycle directly next to me. Between my radio, my engine noise, my tire noise, and whatever insulation there is, I just won't hear it.
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I assume it fulfills their ego to know they have the power to affect unwilling others. They might not have a good education, retirement fund, upward career prospects, but they can impose at least this little bit onto the world to offset their broader lack of power.
These pops and crackles are common on exotics (cars that cost a lot). So, you’ve got it backwards actually. An M3 isn’t cheap cash these days. Jaguars have this too (again, is that a cheap car?). AMGs as well. I mean - the list goes on even for more reasonable cars. Your Lamborghinis and Ferraris will vary but plenty of other exotics have them. Common with race cars as well. I’m guessing most people here have just ne…
Even if you cannot afford an upwardly mobile and financially secure life, you can easily be able to afford financed BMWs in monthly payments. As I understand, repossessing a car is not that hard nowadays with GPS and mobile networks, so there is a lot less risk. Also, it is almost never the more expensive cars I see making sounds. It is mostly cheap Honda/Subaru/Chargers that are modified.
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#420Desperately need these in San Francisco. These cars and motorcycles that have been modified to be super loud are a menace. If you want to modify your vehicle for performance on the racetrack, fine. But when you leave the racetrack, make it compliant again.
> Desperately need these in San Francisco. These cars and motorcycles that have been modified to be super loud are a menace.
> If you want to modify your vehicle for performance on the racetrack, fine. But when you leave the racetrack, make it compliant again.
I can almost guarantee the cars you're annoyed with are mostly clapped out V8 Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, etc. and large v-twin bikes like Harleys (I mean - they're probably literally Harleys). If that's the case then you can bet that these cars and motorcycles have never and will never see a racetrack - or likely even a backroad at a spirited pace for any period of their life.
All of the really loud cars and bikes I hear in SF are not performance oriented. The performance oriented ones... they go by before you even really register it. (Again - the whole point of performance cars is to go fast - not just slowly build RPMs from 10-30mph)