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New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by bitminers »

chickenpotpie wrote: post #317
stjohnswarts wrote: post #49

Ah just couple more steps away from Demolition man and receiving on the spot tickets for cursing after you stub a toe. I want to like Democrats and I prefer their take on sexual and societal freedom, but they are always doubling down on taking away our rights to privacy just like the police state (violence) loving right wing people in the USA.

What privacy are they taking away? You’re in a registered vehicle in the most populous city in the US on a public road, there’s absolute nothing private about that situation.

Imagine you are walking down the street talking to someone either on your phone or in person. Facial and voice recognition are very advanced these days.

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Post by floatrock »

jdprgm wrote: post #39

Tangent: We should outlaw leaf blowers in cities while at it. It's february and freezing out and for some reason the idiotic management in the apartment across the street has contracted some crew to do daily leaf blowers on nearly completely clean sidewalks disturbing probably hundreds of people WFH. Not to even mention how particularly awful leaf blowers are for the environment.

personally I just think of them as the Song of the Suburbs.

But yes, 2-stroke lawn-care engines are egregious offenders in the climate and air quality battles. At least make it all electric like CA's been doing.

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Post by pandaman »

brimble wrote: post #333
pandaman wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found it to be true, all bikes are virtually silent when I drive. All the road noise is just monotonous hum in the background even with music off.

Huh. Motorcycles are on a pretty short list of types of vehicles that startle or distract me with noise fairly often, along with emergency vehicles (popping on their sirens) and semi trucks (if they happen to rev to go up a hill or pass while right alongside me, or use a Jake Brake while fairly close). Cars almost never do unless they've clearly got some severe problems with their mufflers, even though ordinary non e…

Motorcycles are loud outside the car, nobody argues that. Most cars have heavy sound insulation though. E.g. I can hear emergency sirens but just because of the different spectrum, if it had been engine sound at the same level I'd likely would not notice most of the time.

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Post by JohnTHaller »

udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

There are fart cars everywhere all over NYC now. Definitely annoying millions.

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Post by chickenpotpie »

bitminers wrote: post #341
chickenpotpie wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What privacy are they taking away? You’re in a registered vehicle in the most populous city in the US on a public road, there’s absolute nothing private about that situation.

Imagine you are walking down the street talking to someone either on your phone or in person. Facial and voice recognition are very advanced these days.

And where’s the privacy in that? I’m walking down a public street in the largest city in America talking out loud. There’s nothing private about that situation.

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Post by [deleted] »

rabuse wrote: post #236
whartung wrote: post #108

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On a motorcycle forum, someone asked whether they should upgrade their suspension or their exhaust. I suggested that an upgraded suspension affects your quality of life, an upgraded exhaust affects everyone else. We don't need the windows open to hear the cars and such around here (and they're modern windows). We're near a freeway, but it's not the only culprit. The freeway is either silent or quite noisy depending o…

To be fair, riding a quiet motorcycle is likely to get you sideswiped more if the people can't hear you at all. I've noticed the difference of head movements when changing the exhaust on my new motorcycle, from stock to a louder aftermarket. Prior, people would just veer into my lane without even checking. Anecdotal, but very noticeable difference for myself.

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Post by brimble »

pandaman wrote: post #343
brimble wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. Motorcycles are on a pretty short list of types of vehicles that startle or distract me with noise fairly often, along with emergency vehicles (popping on their sirens) and semi trucks (if they happen to rev to go up a hill or pass while right alongside me, or use a Jake Brake while fairly close). Cars almost never do unless they've clearly got some severe problems with their mufflers, even though ordinary non e…

Motorcycles are loud outside the car, nobody argues that. Most cars have heavy sound insulation though. E.g. I can hear emergency sirens but just because of the different spectrum, if it had been engine sound at the same level I'd likely would not notice most of the time.

I mean from inside a car. The sound is very noticeable, stopped or within 2-3 car lengths while driving.

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Post by JohnTHaller »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #7

Desperately need these in San Francisco. These cars and motorcycles that have been modified to be super loud are a menace. If you want to modify your vehicle for performance on the racetrack, fine. But when you leave the racetrack, make it compliant again.

I'd wager you have fart cars out there like we do in NYC now, right?

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Post by olivermarks »

Gigachad wrote: post #339
olivermarks wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thoughts were really about 'getting caught': being summoned because some other vehicle was making a lot of noise, or there was background noise and your vehicle was then tagged, resulting in your having to spend time and money going for government inspections is highly questionable. It also raises a lot of other civil liberties issues about public recording

I think this is just an acceptable responsibility that comes with driving on roads. When you have the ability to cause massive amounts of damage, you have to accept that there is a lot of regulation and compliance to deal with to keep this damage under control. You wouldn't think twice about requiring private pilots to be subject to all kinds of safety and management rules and I think it's fair the same applies to ro…

People have been 'driving on roads' for over 100 years. Why do you think more and more regulation and oversight is now necessary, coupled with endless penalties? Surely train operators and cyclists (the latter often don't seem to think the rules of the road apply to them, endangering others) have similar concerns

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Post by JohnTHaller »

thepasswordis wrote: post #168

Worse than motorcycles are cars with a "pop and bang tune". I can hear these things literally for miles, and they run all day and all night. It's extremely annoying. Here's an example of what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChy9sKVhEo Somehow the police do almost nothing about this stuff (except what NY is apparently going to do), but the federal government has the time to force tesla to remove the "make far…

The proper term is "fart cars". That's what we refer to them as in NYC.
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