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Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by dzhiurgis »

ddoolin wrote: post #260
dzhiurgis wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't get why motorcycles are legal at all - loud, terrible emissions, used for crimes, huge fatality rate, usually driven by a psychopath who loves revving his toy at 5AM at a residential neighbourhood.

> used for crimes This gave me a chuckle. I have absolutely no data but I'm quite certain cars are "used for crimes" at a much higher rate than motorcycles. Motorcycles are almost all manual, nearly invisible to other drivers, and prone to issues with the smallest of road hazards/obstacles, making them really risky to use as a getaway vehicle seeing as you'd need to be outpacing law enforcement much of the time. Add…

> recipe for disaster in most cases.

hence why it wouldn't be legal if invented now (well probably most things won't)

good comparison would be passenger drones - super useful, universally hated, regulated to death.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by bradlys »

jeffbee wrote: post #244
0_____0 wrote: post #224

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From some brief googling it seems that catalytic systems haven't widely been implemented on motorcycles until fairly recently, so that ratio may be for motorcycles without any emissions equipment, even if left stock. That being said, my '05 BMW for sure had a cat. I haven't been able to find info on whether they're similarly effective compared to catalytics on modern cars.

I don't completely understand it but California laws seem to permit the sale of new motorcycles with very old designs. It appears that the laws come into force when a new model needs to be certified, or something like that. So you can buy a brand new XR650L from Honda, that still has a 1980s carbureted engine design and no catalytic converter, and that's a CARB-compliant bike for some reason.

California is no different than the rest of the US in this.

Probably because motorcycles account for nearly nothing in terms of actual miles driven/ridden. It’s incredibly common to find 10+ year old bikes with People just notice them because bikes are novel when on the road. No different than seeing an exotic car.

See: https://www.bts.gov/content/us-vehicle-miles

They’re less than 1% of miles accounted for. Trivial amount. I still think we should adopt Euro5 type standards or something but it’s just not worth fighting over for most of the US. Especially since a large portion of the motorcycle audience is boomers on Harley’s - and that would go counter to their whole lifestyle.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by kelnos »

thepasswordis wrote: post #168

Worse than motorcycles are cars with a "pop and bang tune". I can hear these things literally for miles, and they run all day and all night. It's extremely annoying. Here's an example of what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChy9sKVhEo Somehow the police do almost nothing about this stuff (except what NY is apparently going to do), but the federal government has the time to force tesla to remove the "make far…

Ugh, the comments on that video make me angry. Should never read the comments. Effing sociopaths.

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Post by rascul »

rabuse wrote: post #236
whartung wrote: post #108

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On a motorcycle forum, someone asked whether they should upgrade their suspension or their exhaust. I suggested that an upgraded suspension affects your quality of life, an upgraded exhaust affects everyone else. We don't need the windows open to hear the cars and such around here (and they're modern windows). We're near a freeway, but it's not the only culprit. The freeway is either silent or quite noisy depending o…

To be fair, riding a quiet motorcycle is likely to get you sideswiped more if the people can't hear you at all. I've noticed the difference of head movements when changing the exhaust on my new motorcycle, from stock to a louder aftermarket. Prior, people would just veer into my lane without even checking. Anecdotal, but very noticeable difference for myself.

I generally do not hear loud vehicles directly next to me while driving down the road. Not cars or motorcycles. My own radio, tire noise, and engine noise is enough to drown out all but the absolute loudest, except maybe when I'm going very slow.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by wildrhythms »

e40 wrote: post #57
udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

There's a freeway about a mile from my house. Summer nights with the windows open, I can easily be awakened by a very loud motorcycle. The freeway is raised and I'm in a sort of canyon (no line of sight to freeway, though!!). Maybe the acoustics are just perfect for my bedroom, but I doubt it's just me. There are probably a million people within earshot of this noise. Lest people think I'm a motorcycle hater: I owned…

One of the first things taught in the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) course is that "Loud Pipes Save Lives" is a myth: cars can't hear your loud bike until it's too late, and defensive riding is infinitely more effective than relying on other drivers to hear you. The majority of motorcycle accidents are multi-vehicle. I have been riding for many years on everything from sport bikes, dual sport, all with stock exhaust, even no exhaust on an electric bike, and I have never been involved in an accident- defensive riding works. Loud pipes should have been made illegal decades ago.

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Post by wildrhythms »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #105
e40 wrote: post #57

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There's a freeway about a mile from my house. Summer nights with the windows open, I can easily be awakened by a very loud motorcycle. The freeway is raised and I'm in a sort of canyon (no line of sight to freeway, though!!). Maybe the acoustics are just perfect for my bedroom, but I doubt it's just me. There are probably a million people within earshot of this noise. Lest people think I'm a motorcycle hater: I owned…

Owned four Harleys, like you, mine were stock, quiet. People are surprised to find out Harleys sound almost like sewing machines when they are stock. Almost.

Yup. Harleys with the stock exhaust have a beautiful sound. What a shame that people destroy that iconic engineering in the pursuit of "loud". I cringe every time I see a Harley modified like that.

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Post by bradlys »

et-al wrote: post #26
diebeforei485 wrote: post #7

Desperately need these in San Francisco. These cars and motorcycles that have been modified to be super loud are a menace. If you want to modify your vehicle for performance on the racetrack, fine. But when you leave the racetrack, make it compliant again.

Unfortunately we won't even allow speed enforcement cameras, so this seems unlikely. https://cal.streetsblog.org/2021/05/21/california-wont-be-ge...

I wouldn’t have an issue with speed cameras in certain places if we had reasonable speed limits. Problem is - we set speed limits quite low in California.

101 is 55mph for major portions of it. Yet, ain’t no one going 55 because there’s no reason to. We all can safely drive on it at 75 and that’s the prevailing speed right now regardless of what the signs say. Even 75 is low for many and you can go 85+ with no real increase in risk many times.

Speed limits like most laws are often set for the lowest common denominator, to harvest tax money, and/or as reactionary adjustments rather than based on reason/studies.

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Post by wildrhythms »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #134
udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

I moved to the city for peace and quiet! I didn't know there would be so many people around!

There is a constant din in a city. The cacophony has a consistency. There is order to the auditory chaos.

Compare to a quiet suburb at 5:30am... dead silence interrupted by the neighbor revving their modified F150 audible a mile in every direction.

The delta is not the same.

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Post by bradlys »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #322
RivieraKid wrote: post #242

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Why do they do that, is it basically sadism, i.e. deriving pleasure from others undergoing discomfort or pain?

I assume it fulfills their ego to know they have the power to affect unwilling others. They might not have a good education, retirement fund, upward career prospects, but they can impose at least this little bit onto the world to offset their broader lack of power.

These pops and crackles are common on exotics (cars that cost a lot). So, you’ve got it backwards actually.

An M3 isn’t cheap cash these days. Jaguars have this too (again, is that a cheap car?). AMGs as well. I mean - the list goes on even for more reasonable cars. Your Lamborghinis and Ferraris will vary but plenty of other exotics have them. Common with race cars as well.

I’m guessing most people here have just never watched any kind of motorsport - as these sounds are incredibly common in them. And - here’s the thing - these people like the sound.

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Post by VanillaIceWater »

01100011 wrote: post #170
udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

I don't know what it's like where you live, but in California it increasingly looks like our law enforcement organizations are either dreadfully understaffed or failing miserably at enforcing basic traffic laws. I just drove to San Diego and back from the Bay Area and counted zero cops on the way down and two on the way back, and I returned on Super Bowl eve. In the south Bay Area, I regularly see folks intentionally…

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