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Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by kelnos »

jackson1442 wrote: post #35
jmpman wrote: post #2

Good. I look forward to this enforcement in my city. I currently live against a major road. During the night, the traffic noise isn’t disturbing, except for about one vehicle in a thousand. And that motorcycle wakes me at 3am. For weeks on end. My neighbor’s kid’s motorcycle. On his way to work at 3am, has to gun it when turning out of the neighborhood, waking everyone. These are neighbors who had shot their next doo…

Similar deal here. Some asshole at my apartment got an expensive new car that literally the entire building (with god knows how many units, it's big) hears every single time he enters or leaves. He revs his engine twice on every single floor of the parking garage and all along the street I'm situated on. He'll even do it for hours on end (he did on Monday!). I honestly think he's trying to harass someone in particula…

> Management is sick of it but "can't do anything."

Doesn't your building have rules about noise, and (hopefully) fines for non-compliance? That seems pretty standard.

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Post by grvdrm »

thepasswordis wrote: post #168

Worse than motorcycles are cars with a "pop and bang tune". I can hear these things literally for miles, and they run all day and all night. It's extremely annoying. Here's an example of what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChy9sKVhEo Somehow the police do almost nothing about this stuff (except what NY is apparently going to do), but the federal government has the time to force tesla to remove the "make far…

Unfortunately I’ve spotted at least one of these in NYC driven by a city firefighter. So no chance of enforcement for at least that guy and his stupid exhaust.

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Post by Daneel_ »

Maximus9000 wrote: post #25
alistairSH wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But loud pipes save lives! /s We have a similar problem. Replace "motorcycle" with "bro-dozer" and make it 4am. Noise sucks. And since the pandemic lockdowns have lifted, it's even more abrasive. Those few months of relative quiet were marvelous. Where I live, it's a lot of tire noise from a highway over a mile away - just a constant background "brrrrrr" that I didn't notice before and can't ignore today.

> But loud pipes save lives! /s Bikers actually say that with a straight face. It drives me bonkers. If I look at any list on the internet about top 10 ways to stay safe on a motorcycle, none of those lists will include "loud pipes". Yet, those same bikers will ignore other items on those safety lists like wearing brightly colored high visibility jacket/vest.

There's loud pipes, and then there's LOUD PIPES. I'm a motorcycle rider with an aftermarket exhaust, but I didn't put it on to make it louder, I simply prefer the different visual look of the aftermarket exhaust (undertail vs underslung). The new exhaust is slightly louder (~5dB) and has more of a bass characteristic, but it's certainly not obnoxious. Do I get noticed more? Yes. However I also know I can start my motorcycle at 7 in the morning and go for a ride and my neighbours aren't inconvenienced (I've asked them), so it's not a black or white situation.

I think most riders are in this camp as well - they just want their bike to look and sound good (good!=loud necessarily), rather than be obnoxious, but there's a small number of riders that just want volume for the LOOK AT ME factor. I'm 100% against those folk - they're just being selfish and spoiling it for everyone else.

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Post by sangnoir »

User23 wrote: post #332
01100011 wrote: post #170

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I don't know what it's like where you live, but in California it increasingly looks like our law enforcement organizations are either dreadfully understaffed or failing miserably at enforcing basic traffic laws. I just drove to San Diego and back from the Bay Area and counted zero cops on the way down and two on the way back, and I returned on Super Bowl eve. In the south Bay Area, I regularly see folks intentionally…

The lack of enforcement appears to be causing an increase in bad driving[1]. Anyhow I view this as a good thing. The people spoke loudly that they wanted less policing and they got what they asked for. This isn’t sarcasm either, but I am genuinely surprised that government actually listened. Now I personally don’t want depolicing, but I accept that in a democracy I won’t always get my way. [1] https://www.transportat…

> This isn’t sarcasm either, but I am genuinely surprised that government actually listened.

Are you aware of any changes in (local) government policies in these affected areas? My cynical take is that this is an intentional play by police to allow things to deteriorate so that the public begs for the police to step up and rollback the loss of support since the high profile police-instigated incidents that culminated in George Floyd's killing. I don't think it's going to shake out that way, at least not as quickly as they'd hope.

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Post by brokenmachine »

jeffbee wrote: post #244
0_____0 wrote: post #224

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From some brief googling it seems that catalytic systems haven't widely been implemented on motorcycles until fairly recently, so that ratio may be for motorcycles without any emissions equipment, even if left stock. That being said, my '05 BMW for sure had a cat. I haven't been able to find info on whether they're similarly effective compared to catalytics on modern cars.

I don't completely understand it but California laws seem to permit the sale of new motorcycles with very old designs. It appears that the laws come into force when a new model needs to be certified, or something like that. So you can buy a brand new XR650L from Honda, that still has a 1980s carbureted engine design and no catalytic converter, and that's a CARB-compliant bike for some reason.

But given the low mass, does it have more emissions than a single occupant 2 ton SUV?

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Post by [deleted] »

User23 wrote: post #338
zucked wrote: post #212

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This is happening in my major metro, as well. A kind of flippant attitude toward even the most basic of compliance seems to be taking root. Cars are running Stop signs and red lights without even slowing, the number of cars with no license plate displayed at all is on the rise and all of this seems to be happening at a time when enforcement is virtually non-existent. Even more alarming is that property crime (theft,…

Every city cop I know is checked out and counting the days to retirement. They have families and don’t want their lives ruined because an encounter with a person of the wrong race went bad.

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Post by brokenmachine »

RivieraKid wrote: post #239
habosa wrote: post #62

YES THANK YOU The vast majority of motorcyles in America are illegally modified to be louder than they should [0]. This crime is basically impossuble to police because you need an offer with a reliable sound meter device in the right place at the right time. I am glad NY is going to automate this. I used to live on a street (Guerrero St in SF) that had loud motorcycles ripping down in the middle of the night on a dai…

But why would anyone do that? What's the advantage of having a loud motorcycle?

It distracts from the small pee-pee.

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Post by ddoolin »

zucked wrote: post #279
ddoolin wrote: post #260

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> used for crimes This gave me a chuckle. I have absolutely no data but I'm quite certain cars are "used for crimes" at a much higher rate than motorcycles. Motorcycles are almost all manual, nearly invisible to other drivers, and prone to issues with the smallest of road hazards/obstacles, making them really risky to use as a getaway vehicle seeing as you'd need to be outpacing law enforcement much of the time. Add…

I think the OP is a little hyperbolic, but I wouldn't be so dismissive of the idea. My metro has a no-chase policy for motorcycles. Sure, it's a heck of a dangerous way to make a getaway, but as long as you can shake the first guy, a rider is pretty well free to make a getaway as long as there is no helicopter in pursuit.

Touché, I remember hearing about such a policy for the first time recently. That certainly could change the value proposition quite a bit!

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Post by User23 »

sangnoir wrote: post #384
User23 wrote: post #332

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The lack of enforcement appears to be causing an increase in bad driving[1]. Anyhow I view this as a good thing. The people spoke loudly that they wanted less policing and they got what they asked for. This isn’t sarcasm either, but I am genuinely surprised that government actually listened. Now I personally don’t want depolicing, but I accept that in a democracy I won’t always get my way. [1] https://www.transportat…

> This isn’t sarcasm either, but I am genuinely surprised that government actually listened. Are you aware of any changes in (local) government policies in these affected areas? My cynical take is that this is an intentional play by police to allow things to deteriorate so that the public begs for the police to step up and rollback the loss of support since the high profile police-instigated incidents that culminated…

Many district attorneys who ran on a leniency platform were elected. Every arrest involves risks to both the officer and the suspect. If the DA isn’t going to file charges why would a rational officer take those risks?

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Post by seneca »

mikestew wrote: post #288
rabuse wrote: post #236

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To be fair, riding a quiet motorcycle is likely to get you sideswiped more if the people can't hear you at all. I've noticed the difference of head movements when changing the exhaust on my new motorcycle, from stock to a louder aftermarket. Prior, people would just veer into my lane without even checking. Anecdotal, but very noticeable difference for myself.

If "loud pipes save(d) lives", your insurance company would give you a discount for your man-child exhaust. And if you want anecdata, I've ridden hundreds of thousands of miles in every U. S. state, most of Canada, and elsewhere. Most of those miles have been with the exhaust that came with the bike when it rolled out of the factory. I've never been sideswiped, nor even once considered that a loud exhaust would do an…

> your man-child exhaust

Less of this, please

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