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New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by ubermonkey »

barbazoo wrote: post #148
margalabargala wrote: post #68

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To be clear, their constitutionality status is a matter of opinion. In my opinion, they should be deemed unconstitutional via a violation of rights against search and seizure, and rights for a proper trial. It's impossible to face your accuser in court, it's impossible to actually check the software used to identify whether you were speeding, and asymmetrically automating enforcement of something where it's in the en…

In the case of red light cameras, aren't there pictures to prove the violation?

There are pictures to prove the VEHICLE was there, but the mechanism then assumes the owner of the vehicle was the driver, which is a problem.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by toss1 »

Teever wrote: post #364
udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

I think it's a matter of time before someone deploys tiny quadcopters with with a steel body and db meter and camera. The drones sit and listen for a very large sound and then when they hear it they fly as fast as they can to the source of the audio and kamikaze right into the wheel where the steel body will destabilize the bike causing an accident.

I wouldn't recommend anyone go anywhere near creating such a thing.

IANAL, but I think it goes waaayy over the line of setting a trap, which is very illegal (even to trap ppl repeatedly doing highly illegal things), and will most definitely get you sued for all you're worth if you manage to cause any injuries, and probably face criminal charges [0][1][2].

Just because you can does not mean that you should... (now having the drone catch up to them and cover them in glitter, maybe)

[0] https://www.sfinelaw.com/blog/2019/october/how-setting-a-boo...

[1] https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/booby-traps/

[2] https://www.halt.org/booby-traps-and-the-law-defend-your-pro...

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by barbazoo »

ubermonkey wrote: post #371
barbazoo wrote: post #148

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In the case of red light cameras, aren't there pictures to prove the violation?

There are pictures to prove the VEHICLE was there, but the mechanism then assumes the owner of the vehicle was the driver, which is a problem.

Take two pictures then maybe, one from the front, one from the back.

But also, unless the vehicle was stolen, why not put the burden of proof on the owner. Don't people know who they're giving their car to? I think that's how it works in many European countries. If the car is stolen, just file a report.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by [deleted] »

kelnos wrote: post #268
rabuse wrote: post #236

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To be fair, riding a quiet motorcycle is likely to get you sideswiped more if the people can't hear you at all. I've noticed the difference of head movements when changing the exhaust on my new motorcycle, from stock to a louder aftermarket. Prior, people would just veer into my lane without even checking. Anecdotal, but very noticeable difference for myself.

Maybe you just shouldn't ride a motorcycle if, in order to feel safe, you feel the need to unreasonably increase your level of noise pollution.

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Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by technothrasher »

lowbloodsugar wrote: post #246
seneca wrote: post #226

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What inside knowledge do you have that indicates it's not true? You can't just assume something is false because it contradicts what you want to be true.

Yet, you didn't apply that level of criticism to the parent post either. Some person's niece saying the police chief said it? Like that wouldn't be news worthy? Like the police chief wouldn't immediately raise that to the press because "look what these liberals are telling me now"? Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the gir…

Seneca didn't say it was true. They simply questioned acdha's claim that it was false. This is fair to question. But I suspect based on the rest of acdha's post that "it's not true" was shorthand for the more reasonable "I'm not convinced that it's true".

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by drums8787 »

whartung wrote: post #280
rabuse wrote: post #236

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To be fair, riding a quiet motorcycle is likely to get you sideswiped more if the people can't hear you at all. I've noticed the difference of head movements when changing the exhaust on my new motorcycle, from stock to a louder aftermarket. Prior, people would just veer into my lane without even checking. Anecdotal, but very noticeable difference for myself.

Anecdotally, over 25 years of riding in most every condition you can think, including several years of one-way 30 mile commute in to downtown LA, I have not noticed this. As a corollary anecdote, I've seen (and heard), on several occasions, the rev bombing riders revving louder and longer since the person that's "in their way" is not moving out of it. I've also, personally, jerked and swerved (a little) when startled…

I stopped riding two years ago after 30+ years. This was mostly based on my recent experience as a pedestrian- I just watched way too many people running stop signs while staring at their phone. Figured I'd have a good run of it and better to get out while the going was good.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by [deleted] »

User23 wrote: post #338
zucked wrote: post #212

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This is happening in my major metro, as well. A kind of flippant attitude toward even the most basic of compliance seems to be taking root. Cars are running Stop signs and red lights without even slowing, the number of cars with no license plate displayed at all is on the rise and all of this seems to be happening at a time when enforcement is virtually non-existent. Even more alarming is that property crime (theft,…

Every city cop I know is checked out and counting the days to retirement. They have families and don’t want their lives ruined because an encounter with a person of the wrong race went bad.

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Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by alistairSH »

asdfgasdfgasdgf wrote: post #51
Maximus9000 wrote: post #25

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> But loud pipes save lives! /s Bikers actually say that with a straight face. It drives me bonkers. If I look at any list on the internet about top 10 ways to stay safe on a motorcycle, none of those lists will include "loud pipes". Yet, those same bikers will ignore other items on those safety lists like wearing brightly colored high visibility jacket/vest.

Next time you are in a car driving next to a Harley, listen to it. It will be quiet even at a stoplight and inaudible at speed. The road is a noisy place. Cars are soundproofed to deal with that. A loud engine antagonizes everyone not driving but drivers won't even hear it.

I haven’t found that to be true. At speed, maybe. But at a stop light, I can hear the potato-potato of just about every big V-twin.

Re: New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars

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Post by mikestew »

rabuse wrote: post #263
JKCalhoun wrote: post #129

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Curiously, Harley sounds don't raise my hackles the way a loud sport-bike does. What are they, Ducati's or something? There is just something just so shrill about their sound.

Most likely the Japanese bikes. A lot of Ducati's run in a parallel twin cylinder format, which doesn't rev as high as the inline 4's.

Captain Pedantic, swooping in to nitpick with one correction, Citizen: Ducatis run V-twins these days, much like Harleys (though that is where the comparison stops). Ducati did make parallel twins some forty years ago, and they were...less than reliable.
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