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Post by throwaway984393 »

someguydave wrote: post #193
throwaway984393 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well as long as only 13 innocent unarmed people were unloaded on by law enforcement everything is fine

1. unarmed does not mean they were not a threat or innocent 2. No human endeavor is perfect. I am willing to accept some tragic mistakes in exchange for the prevention of crimes and the dissuasion of criminals.

1. True, but neither one was shown here, so you can choose any assumption you want, and mine was innocence (the law requires the same assumption until proven otherwise)

2. There is no evidence that any prevention of crime was gained in exchange for the deaths of these innocent unarmed people. If anything it created an environment where the law is respected less.

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Post by RivieraKid »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #231

For the unfamiliar, in addition to 'loud pipes' motorcycles, the biggest thing this is for are 'fart cars'. They're all over NYC. These are generally BMW 3 series, Infiniti, etc that are tuned and have specific exhausts to sound like they have more performance than they do, and to backfire after revving and then spooling down a bit... aka fart. They try to achieve the loudest possible rev and backfire, sometimes soun…

Why do they do that, is it basically sadism, i.e. deriving pleasure from others undergoing discomfort or pain?

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Post by Unklejoe »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #231

For the unfamiliar, in addition to 'loud pipes' motorcycles, the biggest thing this is for are 'fart cars'. They're all over NYC. These are generally BMW 3 series, Infiniti, etc that are tuned and have specific exhausts to sound like they have more performance than they do, and to backfire after revving and then spooling down a bit... aka fart. They try to achieve the loudest possible rev and backfire, sometimes soun…

The term in the community is “burble tune” and, yes, it’s extremely annoying and lame.

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Post by jeffbee »

0_____0 wrote: post #224
jeffbee wrote: post #199

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Even factory stock NOx emissions from motorcycles are ~1000x higher under California rules compared to light-duty cars and trucks.

From some brief googling it seems that catalytic systems haven't widely been implemented on motorcycles until fairly recently, so that ratio may be for motorcycles without any emissions equipment, even if left stock. That being said, my '05 BMW for sure had a cat. I haven't been able to find info on whether they're similarly effective compared to catalytics on modern cars.

I don't completely understand it but California laws seem to permit the sale of new motorcycles with very old designs. It appears that the laws come into force when a new model needs to be certified, or something like that. So you can buy a brand new XR650L from Honda, that still has a 1980s carbureted engine design and no catalytic converter, and that's a CARB-compliant bike for some reason.

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Post by kevinh »

seneca wrote: post #226
acdha wrote: post #209

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> The example she gave is that police now cannot intervene if they see an armed individual approaching a school. That sounds unbelievable but that's straight from the mouth of the local chief of police. It’s not true but it makes more sense if they’re saying that as a negotiating tactic: the police are banking that if the media coverage is dominated by stories about crime rising there will be a big reduction in suppo…

What inside knowledge do you have that indicates it's not true? You can't just assume something is false because it contradicts what you want to be true.

What knowledge do you have that it is true other than a thirdhand account by someone on a web forum?

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

seneca wrote: post #226
acdha wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The example she gave is that police now cannot intervene if they see an armed individual approaching a school. That sounds unbelievable but that's straight from the mouth of the local chief of police. It’s not true but it makes more sense if they’re saying that as a negotiating tactic: the police are banking that if the media coverage is dominated by stories about crime rising there will be a big reduction in suppo…

What inside knowledge do you have that indicates it's not true? You can't just assume something is false because it contradicts what you want to be true.

Yet, you didn't apply that level of criticism to the parent post either. Some person's niece saying the police chief said it? Like that wouldn't be news worthy? Like the police chief wouldn't immediately raise that to the press because "look what these liberals are telling me now"? Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

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Post by jrockway »

strangesongs wrote: post #200
jakelazaroff wrote: post #155

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The problem is that to a cop, "normal" and "reasonable" is code for anyone with a police placard [1]. And if you give them discretion, "antisocial assholes" will end up largely meaning Black people. Why not have the automated system issue a warning instead of a citation for the first offense? [1] Check out this Twitter account, which documents NYPD traffic lawbreaking https://twitter.com/placardabuse . It's often rea…

placardabuse really shows you how many of the most egregious traffic violations are done by unrepentant, repeat offenders. I think there was a story recently about an SUV who ran the curb and killed an 18-month old in Manhattan -- the driver had thousands of dollars of unpaid fines for blowing red lights, speeding, double-parking etc. I think people should be at a much higher risk of losing their license or driving p…

Most interesting to me are how many tickets police and politicians rack up with traffic enforcement cameras. "Do you know who I am!?" works on people, but doesn't work on robots. That's a good thing.

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Post by ryandrake »

screye wrote: post #93
Maximus9000 wrote: post #25

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> But loud pipes save lives! /s Bikers actually say that with a straight face. It drives me bonkers. If I look at any list on the internet about top 10 ways to stay safe on a motorcycle, none of those lists will include "loud pipes". Yet, those same bikers will ignore other items on those safety lists like wearing brightly colored high visibility jacket/vest.

> those same bikers will ignore other items on those safety lists like wearing brightly colored high visibility jacket/vest. If anything, the black leather jacket is practically a uniform. > But loud pipes save lives The argument falls flat on its face when you extrapolate it to any other medium. Cyclists and pedestrians should be going around with boomboxes attaches to their bodies. I love the sound of a good vehicl…

When I first heard of the new-ish trend where car makers are now playing fake engine noise through the car's speaker system[1], I thought "how stupid and phony". But, the more I think about it, it makes a whole lot of sense. Obnoxious engine noise is mostly for the benefit of vain drivers who need validation--so just play it at the driver, and keep it out of the community environment. It's a win-win. Driver gets to drive around hearing his loud vroom-vroom noises, and the public benefits from the quietness of modern engine design. There's no valid reason to deliberately project your vroom-vroom sounds at everyone else around you when you don't have to.

1: https://motorandwheels.com/cars-with-active-sound-design/

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Post by dijonman2 »

Spivak wrote: post #182
birdyrooster wrote: post #76

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Good ol American rule by law

It's single-handedly the best perk of being white in the US. I hate it, it's straight up dystopian, but you can't argue with the benefits of being above the law for anything less than like murder. Being white means I do things like speed, do drugs at parties and concerts, jaywalk, be drunk in public, trespass -- err sorry urban explore, set of fireworks on the 4th without so much as a second glance.

This is an incredibly ignorant statement. Why does everything need to be about race all day?

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Post by rabuse »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #195
udfalkso wrote: post #4

One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense. Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.

I really don't get why motorcycles are legal at all - loud, terrible emissions, used for crimes, huge fatality rate, usually driven by a psychopath who loves revving his toy at 5AM at a residential neighbourhood.

"Used for crimes!". This sounds like that standard argument against crypto, when cash (cars) have done that since their inception.
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