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Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by scrozier »

joefigura wrote: post #45
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #17

From the article: > Inbox Zero might be impractical every day, but Inbox Organized happens without breaking a sweat. My experience is the absolute opposite. Organising mails is a strange game, and the only winning move is not to play. I get the information out of the emails as soon as I can, and put it into a system that is actually manageable. GTD had it right from the start. Thank you David Allen. You want harsh fe…

I've been using Shortwave in Alpha for about five months and I think you're reacting far too strongly to one line in the blog post. The product does a bunch of things that encourage an Inbox-zero workflow. Emails are organized as a to-do list, and the archive feature is way more prominent than in Gmail, so the most natural workflow is to go down your inbox and check things off. Most of the organization described happ…

I think GP is correct. This essentially takes the idea of a lean to-do list and constantly barrages it with junk (email). I've used the Get Things Done ideas for years with a plain ol' email account and Microsoft To-Do. Each does its job well. When you try to make one thing do multiple jobs, it's often done poorly in both.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by scrozier »

I know that people use their inboxes as to-do lists, but I no of no one who likes it or does it well. Use a plain ol' email account and a decent to-do list. I've been doing it for years and get to inbox zero daily. Feels so good. :-) Putting lipstick on the email/to-do list pig is a step in the wrong direction.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by noirbot »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #17

From the article: > Inbox Zero might be impractical every day, but Inbox Organized happens without breaking a sweat. My experience is the absolute opposite. Organising mails is a strange game, and the only winning move is not to play. I get the information out of the emails as soon as I can, and put it into a system that is actually manageable. GTD had it right from the start. Thank you David Allen. You want harsh fe…

This is also just a complete misread of the original Inbox Zero talk, and something Merlin Mann complains about every time he tries a new email app that does confetti when you hit "inbox zero". He himself is a deep GTD/David Allen acolyte anyway, but at this point people's misread of what "inbox zero" means is too mainstream and cargo culted.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by rockwotj »

mcs_ wrote: post #84

Congratulations on the release!!! Do you support/plan to support personal certificates or PGP somehow? It will be fantastic to bring those functionalities to the mainstream.

We'd love to better support PGP and multipart/encrypted emails - we have been focusing on nailing our UX and our client experience. But we have grand plans[1] to improve the underlying protocol, and part of that is making e2e encryption the default experience.

[1]: https://www.shortwave.com/blog/future-of-messaging/

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by austhrow743 »

josephwegner wrote: post #12

I'll add in a vote for IMAP support. I am anti-Google in almost all regards. Currently I use FastMail as my email provider, and Mail.app as my client. I pay for FastMail, and similarly I would very gladly pay for a good cross-platform mail client. I'd sign up for a yearly subscription, even! I do recognize that IMAP is not as rich a data source as GMails API, but I'd encourage you to not feel limited by that. I don't…

Does mail.app notify you as quickly as the Fastmail app does?

I found mail on both iOS and Mac to be significantly slower. Made me suspect it wasn’t receiving push notifications but rather pulling them entry so often even though my settings were supposed to allow push.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by austhrow743 »

creeble wrote: post #69
martin-adams wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't that be a huge effort though, as you'd have to essentially implement deliverability and spam all from scratch, all while trying to convince gmail users to switch. I tried Hey and found that it just wasn't going to work for me as they wanted to 'own' my email.

Interesting, can you expand on why Hey 'owned' your email? I guess no access outside their app?

For a long while Hey didn’t support personal domains. Had to use @hey.com

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

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Post by kirillzubovsky »

etcet wrote: post #14

I am one of those Google Inbox refugees and this definitely piques my interest. The pricing does not really make sense for personal user ($9/mo for a email client). Could you elaborate on the free plan 90 day limit? If I snooze an email for 100 days, will I ever see it? Please try to convince me that this limit will not be annoying enough that I should take the risk of linking my Gmail account.

I am curious why you think that $9/m does not make sense. Is that too much, or too little, and why for either case?
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