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Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

#11
> When we launched Firebase here 10 years ago,

Show HN: Firebase, a scalable real-time backend - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3832877 - April 2012 (137 comments)

(I'm marking this off topic so it will go to the bottom of the page and hopefully not distract from the new thing.)

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

#12
I'll add in a vote for IMAP support. I am anti-Google in almost all regards. Currently I use FastMail as my email provider, and Mail.app as my client. I pay for FastMail, and similarly I would very gladly pay for a good cross-platform mail client. I'd sign up for a yearly subscription, even!

I do recognize that IMAP is not as rich a data source as GMails API, but I'd encourage you to not feel limited by that. I don't mind using hosted email, as long as the revenue source is coming from my wallet, rather than ads.

I even had spec'd out building an OSS self-hosted server that ingested email via IMAP and then stored metadata in its own database - this had the benefit of being as rich as GMail APIs, but me as a user still getting to own my data.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

#14
I am one of those Google Inbox refugees and this definitely piques my interest. The pricing does not really make sense for personal user ($9/mo for a email client).

Could you elaborate on the free plan 90 day limit? If I snooze an email for 100 days, will I ever see it? Please try to convince me that this limit will not be annoying enough that I should take the risk of linking my Gmail account.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

#15
Feedback: Email is just fine. It is mature and should just be left alone. It is not something that should be reinvented.

The next thing should not be email at all. It should be something fundamentally different, not another iteration of email.

Seeing some downvote criticism on this comment, let me clarify.

I understand the value in working on an established set of federated protocols. Everyone has an email address and this is a very convenient way to start. But it was invented decades ago and has had many kludges bolted on to it to deal with problems or to very slightly improve the user experience. Who's instead going to be more bold and go for a greenfield project to do asynchronous personal communications?

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

#16
post #10

Love email apps! Congrats. Honestly, it will be really hard get me to leave Front. I have never used a more productive app for my personal workflow - especially with a team. This is seriously super awesome though. Some misc. feedback/comments: - Front has Team Comments (private and between email messages) that are pure gold for collaborating responses and sharing drafts / notes. - What you all have here with Grouping…

Thanks for the detailed thoughts! And for the kind words in here :)

Re: team features -- we have Workspaces and Channels that let you solve many of the same use cases as Front. Check out our guide here including a quick video intro: https://www.shortwave.com/docs/guides/team/

To clarify -- while you can use Channels / Workspaces for general team chat, the main purpose is to help you collaborate on emails, like Front does. Front is more focused on the support use case. We're trying to build something a bit more general purpose, for people like founders, PMs, UX researchers, biz dev, etc to bring visibility to their external emails to their teammates.

You can manually group threads with drag-and-drop to create custom bundles today. You can't yet have those filters apply to future emails, but we'd very much like to do this (and a bunch of other powerful bundle features).

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

#17
From the article:

> Inbox Zero might be impractical every day, but Inbox Organized happens without breaking a sweat.

My experience is the absolute opposite. Organising mails is a strange game, and the only winning move is not to play.

I get the information out of the emails as soon as I can, and put it into a system that is actually manageable.

GTD had it right from the start. Thank you David Allen.

You want harsh feedback ? I'll never pay for your system, because it would lead to more work for me on the long run, not less. Emails are not todo list: todo list are mostly signal, while emails are mostly noise. Your system organize noise, and automatically. This has no value to me.

But you could build a system that I actually need. An inbox that I would enjoy.

Indeed, I don't need a system that help me organise my various sources of informations and tasks. I have so many of them that would be terrible even if it worked, anyway. Managing 20 organized systems in parallel is hell.

I need systems that make it easy to extract the relevant informations from them, and put the result in one central organized place for action, and another one for archive. A system that filters noise, and get me in control. That's it.

Eventually, my life is just that: being, doing and knowing. I don't need a system for the first. I don't want more than 2 systems for the 2 last.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

#18

I'll add in a vote for IMAP support. I am anti-Google in almost all regards. Currently I use FastMail as my email provider, and Mail.app as my client. I pay for FastMail, and similarly I would very gladly pay for a good cross-platform mail client. I'd sign up for a yearly subscription, even! I do recognize that IMAP is not as rich a data source as GMails API, but I'd encourage you to not feel limited by that. I don't…

Noted!

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

#19
post #14

I am one of those Google Inbox refugees and this definitely piques my interest. The pricing does not really make sense for personal user ($9/mo for a email client). Could you elaborate on the free plan 90 day limit? If I snooze an email for 100 days, will I ever see it? Please try to convince me that this limit will not be annoying enough that I should take the risk of linking my Gmail account.

Your email will still come back, and you'll see it in your inbox, but you won't see it in search results. And emails from more than 90 days before you signed up won't be imported.

Re: Show HN: Shortwave: Enjoy Your Inbox

#20

I'll add in a vote for IMAP support. I am anti-Google in almost all regards. Currently I use FastMail as my email provider, and Mail.app as my client. I pay for FastMail, and similarly I would very gladly pay for a good cross-platform mail client. I'd sign up for a yearly subscription, even! I do recognize that IMAP is not as rich a data source as GMails API, but I'd encourage you to not feel limited by that. I don't…

Fastmail created https://jmap.io/ as an open alternative to the GMail API.
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