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Post by nostrademons »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #817
gengelbro wrote: post #757

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about citizens of Seattle when the CHAZ was operating? Were they majority for that?

Considering that the CHAZ was in Capitol Hill, I assume the people in that neighborhood were supportive. As for the rest of us in Seattle, most of us never even visited or saw the place (how often does someone who doesn't live in Capitol Hill visit Capitol Hill?), so it was just something we would see on CNN if we were bothering to watch the news at all (it was cool to see FoxNews have some of our buildings burning d…

I've got a friend who lives on Capitol Hill in Seattle. She hated it - it had all the negative effects of the convoy in Ottawa, about not being able to get where you want to go safely.

I suspect that's how it goes for most instances of protest or civil unrest - the apolitical people in the area hate it, because they're the ones you're inconveniencing to make a point, while distant folks' feelings are determined by whether the protesters are on their side.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by imwillofficial »

imwillofficial wrote: post #627
ryandrake wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one point that the last two years has nailed home (around the world) is that how protestors are treated has little to do with what their tactics and behavior are, and more to do with simply whether their message ideologically aligns with the police. If the police agree with some group of protestors, then they're treated with kid gloves, and can get away with anything. The police will throw their hands up and…

Things I’ve seen this year. People who Molotov cocktailed a police van with people inside. Let off with probation. Police beat an unconscious person until they died. Internal investigation cleared them of wrongdoing. It definitely matters what the protest is supporting/fighting.

My example #1 was a BLM protestor, #2 was at the capital protest.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by throw10920 »

tablespoon wrote: post #818
throw10920 wrote: post #799

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I challenge you to find earplugs that can be worn 24h a day without any physical discomfort, provide 60dB of attenuation across a wide range of frequencies (these horns probably span low 100's of Hz to mid kHz), and are reasonably inexpensive. Even if you could find such beasts (which I don't think you can), then you have the problem that you effectively can't use your hearing. You thought that social interactions we…

> I challenge you to find earplugs that can be worn 24h a day without any physical discomfort, provide 60dB of attenuation across a wide range of frequencies (these horns probably span low 100's of Hz to mid kHz), and are reasonably inexpensive. > Even if you could find such beasts (which I don't think you can), then you have the problem that you effectively can't use your hearing. You thought that social interaction…

Yes, 30 dB ambient noise keeps me awake at night - I know this as someone who had a sibling that played video games and very quietly talked into his mic from another room - which wasn't even noticeable during the day, but during the night, I could hear him clearly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure#Examples_of_sou... gives 30 dB as a "very calm room", which is what it was.

Comments elsewhere in the thread cite 120+ dB horns outside and about 80 dB indoors.

80-60=20. Let's say the earplugs only have to be 50 dB (and that the average person can sleep with 30 dB of noise in their ears at night) - I still bet you can't find any that fit the requirements above.

There's no "overkill requirements" - I'm handing you concrete, realistic numbers that are reflective of real life and you're trying to handwave them away.

> A noisy neighbor is being annoying to his neighbors, not torturing them.

You literally didn't read one of the last sentences of my comment - "To clarify - it's not honking that's torture, it's sustained honking at a duration and intensity that will cause sleep deprivation and other psychological damage."

Please read before responding.

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Post by purephase »

kbelder wrote: post #858
purephase wrote: post #450

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They're honking for 16-18 hours per day. For people that live near the convoy, they've been able to sleep for over two weeks due to this. I have friends and family affected by this. I'm fairly sure this constitutes torture if you don't have the resources to up and leave your residence for days at a time in order to sleep.

How are the protestors sleeping?

You do know that they're in vehicles that they're moving in and out of the city, correct? It's not like they're all just parked in one spot and staying there the entire time.

Unlike people with fixed addresses, they can just up and move to a quiet part of the city to sleep, and then drive back after.

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Post by purephase »

j_walter wrote: post #931
toofy wrote: post #883

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> Not much media coverage.. oh this is absurd. BLM was the lead story in just about every newspaper, news channel, magazine and aggregator sites for weeks. I noticed on a sibling comment you claim to live near Portland and implied that local media did minimal coverage which is also absurd. Again, it was covered obsessively by just about every single local news outlets from their local networks, papers, and podcasts.…

BLM was...Antifa riots every night were not. The media seemed to just ignore them...maybe with the theory that they would stop if not getting covered. Millions in damage, many police officers hurt and hundreds of businesses impacted nightly. Go look for stories on all the businesses that left downtown Portland because of the riots and the lack of city leadership to address them. On top of homeless, crime and drugs...…

Again, a quick google search shows thousands of articles that specifically tie antifa to the riots in Portland.

The media did not ignore it at all. If anything, I'd believe that tie-in with "antifa" is greatly exagerrated by the media, since it seems like the situation in Portland is better explained via the horrible police escalation that happened there and the fact that there's a variety of groups that jumped into the vacuum.

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Post by tablespoon »

dendriti wrote: post #868
tablespoon wrote: post #818

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> I challenge you to find earplugs that can be worn 24h a day without any physical discomfort, provide 60dB of attenuation across a wide range of frequencies (these horns probably span low 100's of Hz to mid kHz), and are reasonably inexpensive. > Even if you could find such beasts (which I don't think you can), then you have the problem that you effectively can't use your hearing. You thought that social interaction…

What about young children? You have a handwavy method to get a toddler to wear silicone earplugs for 8 hours a night? Judging by your post history, you seem to be more interested in stirring up shit than actually contributing to the discussion. This bizarre defence of noisemaking jackasses fits with that.

> Judging by your post history, you seem to be more interested in stirring up shit than actually contributing to the discussion.

I'm not, and I'm pretty sure your accusation violates site guidelines.

> This bizarre defence of noisemaking jackasses fits with that.

You should note I'm not defending them or their actions. I just think it's ridiculous hyperbole to call what they're doing "literally torture." If the ancestor comment had simply said they were being annoying and disruptive, I wouldn't have responded at all.

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Post by sequoia »

ev0lv wrote: post #934
sequoia wrote: post #686

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As has been pointed out, you can visit relatives in Canada. What you can't do is zip back and forth across the border willy nilly during this pandemic, while refusing to take the preventative measures 4/5ths of your (eligible) countrymen have taken, namely vaccination. I'm an American living in Canada. Like you I chose to live across an international border from my family. Guess what? Living abroad inconvenient from…

The adversity of your words is against hacker news rules. This isn't reddit. >>Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

I appreciate the feedback. What in particular did you find objectionable about my comment? Feel free also to "flag" my comment for moderator review if you think it isn't suitable for hackernews.

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Post by HappySweeney »

rablackburn wrote: post #805
liminal wrote: post #497

The lack of effective policing is what's most disappointing to me. The Ottawa police have completely failed to enforce any boundaries. This further erodes public trust in the police and public safety in general. In that sense the protestors are winning.

What is effective policing meant to look like in circumstances like this? This is an unarguably large amount of people practicing civil disobedience. How many police does Ottawa have on hand to deal with it? All the tactics I can think of to truly control a crowd this size are rather…harsh (lines of riot police and water cannons etc). So if you don’t take that option you’re left with tactical deployment of officers.…

The response from Toronto police seemed highly effective. The response from Ottawa police was selfies and gaslighting, which ultimately resulted in the police chief resigning.

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Post by msrenee »

tablespoon wrote: post #946
dendriti wrote: post #868

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about young children? You have a handwavy method to get a toddler to wear silicone earplugs for 8 hours a night? Judging by your post history, you seem to be more interested in stirring up shit than actually contributing to the discussion. This bizarre defence of noisemaking jackasses fits with that.

> Judging by your post history, you seem to be more interested in stirring up shit than actually contributing to the discussion. I'm not, and I'm pretty sure your accusation violates site guidelines. > This bizarre defence of noisemaking jackasses fits with that. You should note I'm not defending them or their actions. I just think it's ridiculous hyperbole to call what they're doing "literally torture." If the ances…

But it is literally a form of torture.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by BoorishBears »

busterarm wrote: post #938
BoorishBears wrote: post #156

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I'm confused, aren't the protestors and their entire cause very openly right leaning? Or am I getting browbeaten for making the connection the specific working class are in fact right leaning... OP didn't write their comment in a vacuum. Can we not pretend that we're unable to apply context, like a massive conservative movement sparked by conservative anti vaxx sentiment .

> by conservative anti vaxx sentiment. This same group of truckers who repeatedly say that they are not anti vaxx but anti mandate and are more than 95% vaccinated anyway. Okay, buddy.

Patronizing sign offs like "Okay, buddy" are surely a sign of a strong argument.

As are showing off facts that are completely baseless.

For example, sounds like you confused the numbers for vaccination from the CTA about all truckers? Since the certainly no rigorous numbers specific to the protestors...

The CTA is the largest organization of truckers and yet...

“CTA believes such actions — especially those that interfere with public safety — are not how disagreements with government policies should be expressed.”

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Kudos though, you totally pulled a fast one on dang acting like this was "about both sides"

Unfortunately you've slowly started to leak out the vitriol very closely associated with one side of these protests...

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