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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by notafraudster »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #394
Spinnaker_ wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Former Newfoundland Premier Brian Peckford, one of the men who helped draft our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, is suing the government, claiming that these travel restrictions on Canadian citizens are unconstitutional. It's a pretty remarkable situation to have someone who wrote our constitution pointing out that the government is in error.

The last man alive who sat with PET and the other premiers to discuss how Trudeau’s unacceptable constitution (to the premiers who had to be on board) was going to pass muster.

Note to readers: Peckford is nowhere near the last man alive who sat with PET and the premiers.

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Post by ahthat »

colinmhayes wrote: post #759
ahthat wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

> citizens living in these cities are in support in large numbers Source? The US polls I've seen show 60% support for vaccine mandates, which is probably why the government feels so confident in shutting down the protests. The media I've seen isn't portraying the protestors as violent but as a nuisance.

Hours of footage https://youtube.com/c/Ottawalks

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Post by ahthat »

gengelbro wrote: post #757
mplewis wrote: post #747

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot to unpack here, but Ottawa residents are largely against the truckers occupying the roads of their city.

How about citizens of Seattle when the CHAZ was operating? Were they majority for that?

I’m a Seattlelite, my perception from amongst friends was that the Capitol Hill experiment was very supportive, at least initially

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Post by nicoffeine »

_-david-_ wrote: post #754
nicoffeine wrote: post #704

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are the complicit media organized? Is there a secret WhatsApp thread going on between the hundreds of media organizations? Who runs the organization? How do they keep it a secret?

There is / was a secret group of journalists called JournoList. The original was shut down and there is now a new one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList

If you had read the entirety of that article, you wouldn't have posted it as an example.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by ahthat »

mplewis wrote: post #747
ahthat wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

There's a lot to unpack here, but Ottawa residents are largely against the truckers occupying the roads of their city.

https://youtube.com/c/Ottawalks Hours of footage here

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Post by giantg2 »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #847
giantg2 wrote: post #824

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Not really that fallacy - no claim was made that it wasn't a problem. If anything, it's a musing on how media bias may affect how things are portrayed. Specifically with calling something violent. If violence is the adjective we are examining, the loss (or delay) of revenue from the protest would not fit in this model. I am curious though, are goods not being rerouted?

Absolutely that fallacy. You're holding the 2020 BLM protests up as being far worse. In fact, you've quantified just how bad they were, as a means of demonstrating that these protests are not as bad. The fallacy is not the claim that this isn't a problem, but that its not nearly as bad as this other problem, and therefore not worthy of the reaction. Many of the large auto manufacturers shutdown production lines in re…

"Fallacy of relative privation (also known as "appeal to worse problems" or "not as bad as") – dismissing an argument or complaint due to what are perceived to be more important problems."

I have not dismissed the issue. Do you have a source to back up your claim? Also, can you quote where I say this protest is not an issue or not worthy of being addressed?

Again, this was mostly about bias in reporting.

"Delayed revenue is lost revenue."

Here's a fallacy - false equivalent. Delaying revenue does not mean that revenue is lost. Demand and orders do not cease to exist simply because production temporarily halts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

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Post by mikeyouse »

vorpalhex wrote: post #848
mikeyouse wrote: post #823

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Yep.. that was the 4th person arrested.. Here’s one of the others; > According to the complaint, Hunter would later post multiple messages on Facebook bragging of his actions in Minneapolis on the night of 28 May and morning of 29 May, writing, “I set fire to that precinct with the Black community,” and, “My mom would call the FBI if she knew.” “I’ve burned police stations with Black Panthers in Minneapolis,” he clai…

Yup and uh.. how do you connect that with the Boogaloo boys?

Did you read the article? The quotes from the person bragging about burning down the police station was a BB from Texas who drove 1,200 miles to Minneapolis to foment unrest.

> According to the criminal complaint against Hunter, on 26 May, as intense protests broke out in Minneapolis over the killing of George Floyd by a city police officer, a “Boogaloo Boi” based in Minnesota posted a public Facebook message: “I need a headcount.”

> Hunter, a resident of Boerne, Texas, which is roughly 1,200 miles away, responded: “72 hours out. Another “Boogaloo Boi”, based in North Carolina, posted a public message the same day: “Lock and load boys,” he wrote, adding, “the national network is going off.”

> Prosecutors say that Hunter would later describe himself to Austin police officers as “the leader of the Boogaloo Bois in south Texas”.

> By 28 May, during a night of the most intense unrest and destruction in the city, Hunter was in Minneapolis, just as the 3rd precinct police station, known locally as a “playground for renegade cops”, was being set on fire.

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Post by kbelder »

purephase wrote: post #450
blast wrote: post #445

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I didn't downvote you, but you're using extreme language like "torture" (I know noise and sleep deprivation are associated with torture but this sort of verbal escalation is not objective) and the only in-depth reporting I've seen on the arson thing makes it seem completely debunked: https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1490557119816425474 (or https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1490525934948081666 - I'm not sure what the…

They're honking for 16-18 hours per day. For people that live near the convoy, they've been able to sleep for over two weeks due to this. I have friends and family affected by this. I'm fairly sure this constitutes torture if you don't have the resources to up and leave your residence for days at a time in order to sleep.

How are the protestors sleeping?

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Post by fsckboy »

dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

> It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo.

Don't victim blame, and call a spade a spade. It was the result of targeted black hat hacking and identity theft, probably made easier by poor security at GiveSendGo.

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Post by flyingcircus3 »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #847
giantg2 wrote: post #824

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really that fallacy - no claim was made that it wasn't a problem. If anything, it's a musing on how media bias may affect how things are portrayed. Specifically with calling something violent. If violence is the adjective we are examining, the loss (or delay) of revenue from the protest would not fit in this model. I am curious though, are goods not being rerouted?

Absolutely that fallacy. You're holding the 2020 BLM protests up as being far worse. In fact, you've quantified just how bad they were, as a means of demonstrating that these protests are not as bad. The fallacy is not the claim that this isn't a problem, but that its not nearly as bad as this other problem, and therefore not worthy of the reaction. Many of the large auto manufacturers shutdown production lines in re…

@giantg2

The fallacy is claiming that one is not as bad because the other exists. You seem to be defending your comments from absolute privation. I refer to the first comment I replied to,

>That says a lot if that's what a violent protest looks like in Canada when the "peaceful" ones in the US involve millions of dollars in property damage and numerous injuries or deaths.

Isn't pedantry fun?

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