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Google Search Is Dying

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Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Some really good thoughts here. I'll summarize the ones that hit me: - "Why are people searching Reddit specifically? The short answer is that Google search results are clearly dying. The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust." This is it for me exactly. I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretl…

About the "dead internet conspiracy" - I've worked in writing how-to articles for a fairly large "help" website. They paid very little attention to the quality of the articles. I was paid for each piece and thus had about 30 minutes to write an article and later integrate feedback from internal review. Otherwise the payment became too low. The most important factor was cramming SEO terms and links to keep people on t…

>> This could possibly be done with the help of curated bot-content, but I think we're far away from the point where this is really more profitable than getting students to do the work.

It may be becoming borderline. I expect that sentence/paragraph completion is already becoming useful to people who churn out quick content for a living. In any case, the important part isn't whether or not it's bots. The important part is whether or not it's authentic. The precise meaning of authenticity gets squishy, but it exists nonetheless.

IMO the sentiments are correct, whatever the details. Part of why google sucks is that the internet is worse, for a bunch of the things we use google to search for. The internet becoming a larger, more profitable industry changed it. Instagramming for influencer perks, SEOing, or selling targeted ads like FB do... it does not lead to the same places that earlier iterations of the WWW produced. Times change.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#232

Some really good thoughts here. I'll summarize the ones that hit me: - "Why are people searching Reddit specifically? The short answer is that Google search results are clearly dying. The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust." This is it for me exactly. I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretl…

I didn’t really even think about this properly until just now.. these days I am looking at Reddit, Facebook groups and if needs be, YouTube (videos not by ‘creators’ as far as possible) to find information I used to google. Ads and referral links have totally ruined the usefulness of so much information.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#233

Some really good thoughts here. I'll summarize the ones that hit me: - "Why are people searching Reddit specifically? The short answer is that Google search results are clearly dying. The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust." This is it for me exactly. I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretl…

But I still prefer to use Google to search Reddit or Stack overflow.

Reddit especially has horrible search.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#234

I’ve posited repeatedly that when Reddit IPOs, I’ll be reallocating a significant chunk of my portfolio into their stock. Their management has historically lacked focus, but if Reddit ever builds a half-competent search index, and positions itself as a search-first, discovery-second destination, they will be in the FANG tier of stocks. They have the data. They have the dedicated, active user base. They have free mode…

Reddit userbase is fast deteriorating. The power users who were responsible for much of its highest-quality content have been fleeing the sinking ship for quite some time - once a fully credible alternative springs up (and some are in the works already, with superior tech underlying them) they'll be as toast as Digg unless they radically course-correct.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Alternative interpretation: Google so useful that it instantly searches whatever sub-corpus you desire if you simply mention it in your question. Google says it shows zero ads on 80% of searches. So the whole "ads now take up entire screen" thing is based on the qualitative ramblings of twitter accounts who don't know what they are talking about.

I think part of this is the inverse of the base rate fallacy. As people's use of search has gone up, the absolute number of bad experience (many ads, or poor results) has gone up regardless of whether the actual quality had gone up or not. Combine that with the elevated expectation and the confirmation bias, some people's perception of search quality will get worse and the number of people with such opinion will increase.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#236

Google used to be really, really good at finding exactly what I told it to find. Nowadays, it's turned into the yellow pages; sponsored content from businesses trying to sell me goods and services. Can people suggest good alternatives or search patterns for certain categories of information or search types? Some of the search patterns I currently I use: * Youtube for product reviews and demos, entertainment, music an…

In my experience, the forum experience is far from dead, but it's effectively impossible to surface in a search engine - any search engine - unless you know the name of the forum. Oh, and the content must also be "fresh". If the content isn't "fresh" (which most of the best forum/blog posts are not), nobody shows it anymore. I can search for a specific blog post using a verbatim quote, but the result (if it exists) i…

Anyone know the origin of the fresh rule, and the purpose? It makes sense in some niches but in others it is so obviously bad I wonder why Google added it

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#237

Some really good thoughts here. I'll summarize the ones that hit me: - "Why are people searching Reddit specifically? The short answer is that Google search results are clearly dying. The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust." This is it for me exactly. I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretl…

>>- "Google increasingly does not give you the results for what you typed in. It tries to be “smart” and figure out what you “really meant" ..."

>This is the most annoying behavior because I really mean what I write.

It should do both. And it used to do both.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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> This is the most annoying behavior because I really mean what I write. Tons of people don't, though. They type whatever unprocessed half-second thought they have into Google and expect Google to lead them to the water, even if they're tugging and trying to go in the completely wrong direction. Google has optimized for working 'most of the time' for 'the most people', and that means striving for fixing the complete…

Google has optimized to whatever sequence of behaviors achieves the most profit. The search results are not chosen for utility to the user but as nudges in a cycle of influence intended to drive you to attend to an ad, purchase something, or consume particular content. They should not be engaged in non-consensual manipulation of social or political behaviors, and the ethics of market manipulation at scale through adv…

Advertising is not 'market manipulation': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation. This dialect of 'Substackspeak' is starting to feel like SEO for HN readers.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#239
The biggest issue I have with Google is that every search is performed in the "now" context. This makes looking back, especially on political issues, basically impossible; There's no way to explore how topics have evolved or progressed over time. I don't mind google search for resolving technical issues as it works pretty well in this context, but the second you start to get curious and look for anything older everything breaks down.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

#240

Just a heads up if someone is searching reddit for product reviews. I believe most of them are inauthentic. I worked in marketing for several companies and we always had some budget for whisper marketing aka shilling. There are third party agency specialized in shilling on reddit and making it all look authentic.

I click on the profile of any reviewer I'm taking seriously. It's easy to spot the astroturf accounts vs the real degenerates

It's easy to spot the badly astroturfed accounts. How would establish your baseline truth?

I'm not claiming it's impossible, but it's very easy to fool yourself in this territory. A good mark is the one who thinks they know the game.

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