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Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#191

It's how the Reddit spam filter works. Once your account is flagged as spam by the system, it would be global shadowbanned automacially. At this stage, your account is essentially finished, it's basically impossible to talk to someone and get your account unblocked. Eventually the account would be deleted, all the post you've ever made would also be gone in the worst-case scenario, just like my previous account. My R…

>basically impossible to talk to someone and get your account unblocked Not sure it would even matter. I once submitted a breaking news story to /r/news and it was autodeleted by their bot. I messaged a mod asking why it was deleted since it was in fact news and was not a duplicate and their response was to tell me I'm stupid and to permaban me from the sub.

I've had this happen. The top post on /r/worldnews was an Israeli "attack on Gaza", with no mention of the rocket attack on Israel an hour prior. I posted a link to a site - an English-language Arabic news site, mind you - that stated that the Israeli "attack on Gaza" was a precision strike against the military target that fired rockets at Israel earlier in the day.

My submission was deleted, my account was banned from the sub.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#193

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GP was not banned for arguing, they were banned for placing a throwaway arguing/flamebait comment - "using php is stupid" - in the proper context, by providing some nuance. The fact that they were even banned for that, when at most they should have been warned had they been actually arguing, tells you everything there is to know about how well that 'subreddit' is being managed (hint: not very well).

I've reread what GP was posted and he was banned for reason: personal attack, because he did say, that comment is stupid. For exactly the same reason you can get banned, if you use nuanced sarcasm or actually if you are touching anything that is toxic. Warnings can not be sustainable, when such high volume of warned is involved - you have to keep records of those warnings. Since it is easy to create account in reddit…

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Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've reread what GP was posted and he was banned for reason: personal attack, because he did say, that comment is stupid. For exactly the same reason you can get banned, if you use nuanced sarcasm or actually if you are touching anything that is toxic. Warnings can not be sustainable, when such high volume of warned is involved - you have to keep records of those warnings. Since it is easy to create account in reddit…

> get banned, if you use nuanced sarcasm or actually if you are touching anything that is toxic. I agree that this is a thing, of course. But it makes for very low quality discussion, since non-toxic users will just let the toxicity fester instead of engaging to mitigate it. > you have to keep records of those warnings. 'Reddit Enhancement Suite' has that as a feature, and it could be added as such on the official si…

>>I agree that this is a thing, of course. But it makes for very low quality discussion, since non-toxic users will just let the toxicity fester instead of engaging to mitigate it.

I do not make rules of reddit(I feel that the discussion somehow has took that direction, where... I am defending reddit?) - I just speak from my experience.

There is a reason, why humans can not have on their mind more than one enemy - their brains can not keep track of all the enemies as keeping track of all of them is a nightmare scenario, where brainpower is used just to keep track of all of them. As long as mods are humans, there are no good solutions to keep track of all warnings - maybe AI can do that, but keeping all that information in head is too much garbage - if I have to manage any such forums, banning is the best option for warning, as my brains are not unlimited. If a person convinces, that he has learned a lesson, then the ban can be lifted. Some bans can even expire, so it does not really matter.

When I think of warning, it also has additional information: how long it has to stay, until it is forgotten(because it is not a ban), what that warning was about, because you can't really make warning to kid not to touch hot surface and scald for the same reason, if he touches electric power cable - they are completelly different cases, so I am looking from that viewpoint, that there does not exist proper warning system and 'Reddit Enhancement Suite' is not it as well - from the description it still sounds, that it is meant for banning - not warnings, where warnings are meant to educate and protect people. Warning system means a lot of involvement and without AI, that is not viable, especially when no one is going to pay you for that kind of job.

>>Returning with a new account after being permbanned from a 'sub' counts as ban evasion

Not, if you return with different email, as reddit can ban email, but not a person, so this rule can not be implemented to a person and can be read as guideline. Unless you are a complete idiot and post your id data and after being banned from sub, come back and state that you have returned, then that rule can be applied in that case. And I perceive that rule exactly how it is technically done - that they might ban account and maybe email, that was attached to it - rest takes too much effort and is not really possible to do by reddit(at this stage).

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#195
post #69

Reddit bans users for complaining about mods. Deleting my accounts and not looking back. Twitter is more free and people are generally less offended by criticism.

Twitter banned an ex-president. I don't think it's any more free. Use https://notabug.io/

There's a pretty big difference between banning someone after dozens of warnings and a robot silently banning you without even telling you for something you might not even have done

This politically charged advertising is badly misplaced

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#196

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What if they just started shadow banning African Americans? Would that be illegal? This is a serious qeustion. If we have no idea on who they are shadow banning how can we tell if they are not being discriminatory?

The practice of excluding by race is not actually illegal. Think about fraternities. Think about ethnic centers. People have an expectation that because it's immoral in the obvious case, it's illegal. It's actually not. Nothing stops anyone from making a group for, say, Chinese American newspaper reporters, or Lebanese car mechanics. What's actually illegal is turning people down for jobs or housing over race. The la…

It's also illegal in the U.S. to turn away customers because of their race. That's more relevant than private club membership.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#197

HN is no different and will ban Tor accounts at will. You can try and see for yourself.

Yes, I went through dozens of HN accounts before I finally figured out that the IP address at my ex-wife's house was on some kind of HN automatic kill list. Every time I went over there and glanced at HN, that account would get silently shadowbanned. HN doesn't have any moral authority to lecture Reddit on this topic.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#198

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Sounds like something someone who's going to sell their account would do.

"Using encryption, sounds like something a criminal would do." Yes, that is what this sounds like. iI have another idea why Reddit does not like VPN. They cannot monetize your data as easily.

I was answering the unasked question of why Reddit would care if someone removed the email address associated with their account.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#199
post #73

Both Reddit's admins and their future-employee mods are completely out of control, in a way that makes Facebook's intentional topic manipulation seem tame by comparison. These people go out of their way to ban people for no reason -- constantly, every single day -- in a way that can only be described as intentionally abusive. They appear to get some kind of sadistic pleasure in reading ban appeals and denying them, k…

This is very true and it is already having an effect. The amount of posts in the development sub reddit has declined so much it is borderline dead. For example the front page of r/javascript is mostly days old posts which means I can visit it once a week and not really miss anything and it has 1,873,376 subscribers! It seems people have recognized that the post quality was garbage and moved on to greener pastures. It…

I'm banned from askscience because the mod doesn't believe that I can both do my day job and make comments on my old day job.

Apparently nobody on earth has two related specializations, and since he's a college kid in one of the two topics, he knows that the comment I made is wrong.

Nevermind that it's about a device that I created, or that I gave him the manual and showed it to be true, or that my comments were friendly and positive.

Nope, just saying "it's a lot smaller than most people seem to expect, around the size of a minivan" and I'm gone, despite a dozen 3000+ comments and no negative ones

Reddit pulling its staff from free labor has left it in a position where nobody can be fired no matter how toxic they are to reddit's user base

Re: Tell HN: Reddit accounts cancellation/suspension caused by VPN usage

#200
Honestly I can't say that I don't understand them. It's so easy to make good bots, and spam/automated propaganda is a HUGE problem on any social network.

Also posting good (stolen) content automatically to farm karma to then be able to spam everywhere for a few hours is a very common tactic

If I had to run a free social media like reddit I would do the same, you have no idea how hard it is to handle that imo

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