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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by pyuser583 »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #833
pyuser583 wrote: post #831

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Near where I live, one of the BLM protestors tried to burn down the local 911 center. He’s currently in prison for arson. Haven’t seen anything like that in this protest, but honestly I haven’t been looking too close.

Was he really a BLM protestor or just an arsonist looking for an opening to burn something down?

He had been involved in the protests for a while. He was part of a crowd of very angry protestors when he threw the incendiary.

He had no previous convictions of arson.

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Post by pyuser583 »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #849
pyuser583 wrote: post #831

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Near where I live, one of the BLM protestors tried to burn down the local 911 center. He’s currently in prison for arson. Haven’t seen anything like that in this protest, but honestly I haven’t been looking too close.

Why are the extreme examples of other events the baseline threshold for problems at subsequent events?

Because we evaluate the extremity of events relative to each other.

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Post by _-david-_ »

nicoffeine wrote: post #854
_-david-_ wrote: post #754

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There is / was a secret group of journalists called JournoList. The original was shut down and there is now a new one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList

If you had read the entirety of that article, you wouldn't have posted it as an example.

It existed, allowed the media to work together on how to represent certain issues, it stopped existing and there is a new version that replaced it? What did I miss?

I assume you are talking about Klein's statement regarding Tucker?

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Post by sudosysgen »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #864
sudosysgen wrote: post #839

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No, they can't do that for protesting or giving people money. They can freeze accounts temporarily, that's true, they can't take your money. They can take your car if you block the road and refuse to remove it, yes. That's called getting impounded, and it happens everyday. They can fine you or imprison you for a blockade, yes. That's always been the law. And yes, they can force companies to provide services during an…

You keep giving them the benefit of the doubt, without any logical reason to. They have taken more and more rights away and used divisive strategies to do it at every step. We are going onto the third year of emergency measures. The government's response to people protesting their emergency measures is to double down with even more emergency measures. The Truck drivers that are currently protesting did so because the…

For now, I will give them the benefit of the doubt, because they didn't use the law to even a fraction of its extent - they really could have done so much worse.

The truck drivers still have their ability to make ends meet. They can either take in-Canada jobs which will pay a bit less but still provide a living above and beyond the average salary, or they can take a jab and work internationally. When I had to get vaccinated to cross borders, no one went and blockaded anything, because that's a completely reasonable and normal thing to expect. I don't understand why I should care that they have to do the same.

And as we're entering the third year of emergency measures, all provinces are already scaling them back. I agree that some measures were excessive and useless; I also think that earlier on many emergency measures were lifted too early.

I don't have any sympathy for them or their goals of ending all health measures and, for some, deposing the governments. I don't think that asking for vaccinations to engage in cross-border activities is even remotely unreasonable - and I've had to comply by such rules many times. I know because of working with people in the industry for years that there's plenty of work to go around inside this country for them if they really don't want to take the vaccine, albeit with a pay cut that still allows them to provide for their families.

All in all, it's perfectly fine. They aren't victims of any real opression. If they were, I'd support them, I might even put up with some of their methods. As it stands, I don't think they're justified in blocking critical infrastructure or blaring train horns in residential neighborhood.

They haven't taken any rights away they hadn't already. I'm sorry, but I already have to live with the risk of tear gas, agents provocateurs, rubber bullets, broken bones, and getting closed-in by police for hours if I ever want to protest tuition hikes or imperialism. I don't see how their treatment by Trudeau whose being infinitely gentler for much more disruptive behaviour infringes anymore rights that are already being infringed on by police for any other protest.

I have made my line long ago and I'm perfectly honest with myself.

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Post by sudosysgen »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #866
sudosysgen wrote: post #840

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As with anything, there is nuance. A noisy protest is merely annoying , a 140dB train horn less than ten meters away is assault .

Granted. Arrest the people with the 140dB train horns.

I'm glad we agree. We should also fine people that are using otherwise reglementory horns in order to cause a nuisance, as we normally do.

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Post by sudosysgen »

glennvtx wrote: post #829
II2II wrote: post #810

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> Furthermore, it can be effectively argued that forcing workers to get vaccinated or lose their jobs is inherently discriminatory and perhaps even anti-freedom. From my understanding, this is only the case for truckers crossing the border. Most of the vaccination mandates I have heard of have been at the provincial or municipal levels and only affect employees of the government or publicly controlled institutions (h…

It is not the employers that are demanding these people be vaccinated, They just want their products delivered. The government wont allow drivers to cross an imaginary line without submitting to vaccination: an even more egregious trespass of an individuals liberty than their usual practice of extortion and/or delay.

If by imaginary line you mean an international border and by government you mean the US government, at least the first part is factual.

As for the second part, the US has been asking for a whole host of vaccinations in order to get a visa for multiple decades, same for the Canadian one, so I don't see how it's "an even more egregious trespass of an individuals liberty than their usual practice".

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Post by sudosysgen »

rablackburn wrote: post #805
liminal wrote: post #497

The lack of effective policing is what's most disappointing to me. The Ottawa police have completely failed to enforce any boundaries. This further erodes public trust in the police and public safety in general. In that sense the protestors are winning.

What is effective policing meant to look like in circumstances like this? This is an unarguably large amount of people practicing civil disobedience. How many police does Ottawa have on hand to deal with it? All the tactics I can think of to truly control a crowd this size are rather…harsh (lines of riot police and water cannons etc). So if you don’t take that option you’re left with tactical deployment of officers.…

There are less people engaging in highly disruptive actions such as in the blockade of the border pass or in honking at night than police officers.

The tactics are pretty simple. You order dispersal for disruptive people. If they refuse, you calmly walk towards and past them as a group in riot gear. If they engage in violence, you act in minimal self defence, and if they refuse to move, you continue, slowly pushing them forwards.

If people stay stuck in their trucks or cars, you give them a warning their car is being impounded. If they don't leave by then, you tow it to the side and give a hefty fine, with or without them inside.

It's not a hard problem at all. I've been on the receiving end multiple times. It's only when you start throwing tear gas for no reason or beating up people for fun - which police often does to other groups - that you have unprovoked issues.

As it stands municipal police has done exactly nothing. They haven't even given fines.

The ones seizing weapon caches are the RCMP, under federal jurisdiction. They've recently been allowed to take over the duties of municipal officers because so many of them refuse to do anything.

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Post by fredophile »

jjulius wrote: post #456
fredophile wrote: post #281

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So you think it's acceptable for citizens in one country to fund political movements in other countries? Would you feel the same way about oligarchs in Russia or China funding political organizations in the US?

>So you think it's acceptable for citizens in one country to fund political movements in other countries? Would you feel the same way about oligarchs in Russia or China funding political organizations in the US? Please don't be so quick to put words into other's mouths and then go after them for something they never said. Someone asked why another user might want to donate to political causes in another country. I re…

I didn't say you endorsed OPs views. You said that this was the same as someone in one part of the US funding political action in another part of the US. Apocryphon noted that Canada is a sovereign country and not part of the US. You replied that this didn't change the point of your original post. This implied that you don't see a distinction between funding political activity within your own country and funding political activity in another country and is independent of the OPs political stance.

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Post by sudosysgen »

fortran77 wrote: post #745

There was an excellent article about who these truckers are here: https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/what-the-truckers-want?r=6p... They're not exactly the group of people one might expect. I miss the days when progressives were on the side of the working man and woman, and long-haul truckers were considered folk heroes.

The unions of long haul truckers came out against the protest. 99% of them are there, on the road, doing their job. 90% of them are vaccinated, just like the rest of us.

The truckers that have their own truck to bring there and block infrastructure are the privileged few who manage to be owners-operators. They represent the working man and woman about as well as the average IT contractor - and they're almost certainly even wealthier on average.

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Post by 0xy »

sudosysgen wrote: post #723
0xy wrote: post #477

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The majority of the donors were Canadian, so presumably you're in favor of the multiple millions of dollars flowing to the group from Canadians?

You can look at the data - there were around twice as many foreign donations than Canadian ones.

I did look at the data. $4,311,287 listed their country as Canada, and $4,110,520 were from other countries. [1]

You're just wrong. Number of individual donors is irrelevant, the majority of cash is from Canada.

[1] https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiODI3Y2UzMWQtMjE4MS00N...

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