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Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by sudosysgen » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

rpmisms wrote: post #251

nverno wrote: post #97

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It's not just a run of the mill worker's strike, though, it's tactically ingenious- they were able to put huge pressure on people very quickly without ever needing to get violent or aggressive. Good for them.

They're simply seizing the means of transportation, and reminding the government that the economy is dependent on them.

Yeah they failed massively at that. There were a few hundred trucks out of around 300,000, and they got denounced by their own unions. Basically the only thing they will do is inconvenience the government who doesn't want to look bad by removing them forcefully.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by j_walter » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:50 PM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #697

pessimizer wrote: post #628

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A major difference is that the police would issue dispersal orders, then attack the BLM protesters indiscriminately, or call curfews which basically declared open season on any kind of protester, journalist, civilian, doing anything outdoors after X o'clock. The police were shooting rubber bullets at people sitting on their own porches. This is not how Ottawa is being handled, this is not how January 6th was handled,…

> A major difference is that the police would issue dispersal orders, then attack the BLM protesters indiscriminately, or call curfews which basically declared open season on any kind of protester, journalist, civilian, doing anything outdoors after X o'clock. The police were shooting rubber bullets at people sitting on their own porches. Whilst also advising Proud Boys and Three Per Centers of their "enforcement pla…

They were in contact with both sides of the conflicts...only one side made their plans clear and also applied for permits. I'm not saying it was the right call, but one side was violent toward police and the other was not...not a huge surprise that the police would choose to work with them.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by FireBeyond » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:51 PM UTC

ctoth wrote: post #736

FireBeyond wrote: post #712

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Oh, it's fine, because everyone can afford to go to a hotel for a few weeks, then, right?

Me pointing out that this is not torture, that torture means specific things and that this doesn't meet the commonly-accepted definition of torture, followed by you glibly inserting the phrase "its fine" is a perfect microcosm of why online discussion is doomed. Torture means you are in pain and you cannot stop it. Not by getting on the bus and riding across town, not by wearing earmuffs, it means that you, the perso…

You want to be absolutely pedantic about torture "meaning specific things", and where "commonly-accepted definitions" happen, conveniently, to mean what's more convenient to you.

Dictionaries, on the other hand, define torture as "inflicting pain and suffering on".

The UN Conventions on Torture in no way specify that imprisonment, formal or otherwise, is a required component for something to be defined as torture.

So my opinion is that your vision of torture in this instance is far more narrow, because it fits your worldview more.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by FireBeyond » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:53 PM UTC

ctoth wrote: post #626

RIMR wrote: post #543

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I'm just trying to understand here, you're advocating that people lose their livelihoods for donating to a protest movement you don't approve of? Not participating in illegal action, not physically hurting anyone, just giving money to the wrong people online? Can you possibly think of any circumstances where this sort of principle might backfire?

> not physically hurting anyone

It's a good thing 140dB horns for 18 hours a day for weeks comes with zero risk of physical harm to people's hearing, apparently.

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Post by fortran77 » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:53 PM UTC

There was an excellent article about who these truckers are here: https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/what-the-truckers-want?r=6p... They're not exactly the group of people one might expect.

I miss the days when progressives were on the side of the working man and woman, and long-haul truckers were considered folk heroes.

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Post by sudosysgen » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:53 PM UTC

throwaway894345 wrote: post #708

sudosysgen wrote: post #700

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From the Merriam Webster, Disturbance, 2) : noisy or violent activity : commotion

Good grief. Yes, a disturbance can refer to noise or violence, but that doesn't imply that a noise is violence. This is the lowest quality argumentation I've seen on this site for a while.

I'm giving a definition that applies to my own words. That's the way I meant distrubance. Also, it's not because something isn't violent that it isn't harmful.

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Post by mplewis » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:53 PM UTC

ahthat wrote: post #683

dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

There's a lot to unpack here, but Ottawa residents are largely against the truckers occupying the roads of their city.

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Post by j_walter » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:54 PM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #628

j_walter wrote: post #462

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>A city is being held hostage by an extreme minority and, even in OPs post they mention that the Toronto police handled it properly, but question the admonition levied against the Ottawa police. >The Ottawa police are complicit in this now as well as city council. They sat on their hands while allowing this to spiral out of control, and now want to play the victim or blame others (e.g. blaming counter protesters toda…

A major difference is that the police would issue dispersal orders, then attack the BLM protesters indiscriminately, or call curfews which basically declared open season on any kind of protester, journalist, civilian, doing anything outdoors after X o'clock. The police were shooting rubber bullets at people sitting on their own porches. This is not how Ottawa is being handled, this is not how January 6th was handled,…

The police protected buildings from being set on fire and their officers being attacked with lasers and fireworks. Dispersal orders were only given AFTER the protests turned violent.

Comparing 100+ nights of protests and riots with Jan 6th is ridiculous...one was night after night of the same thing and having a plan in place to defend and the other is a single day where the police lost control and they actually shot someone with real bullets.

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Post by joseph8th » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:57 PM UTC

newsclues wrote: post #588

smnrchrds wrote: post #584

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> there is no violence, and no obvious danger A number of illegal weapons, high capacity magazines, and a large quantity of ammunition were seized in a blockade in Alberta. I would not be surprised if there are people with weapons in Ottawa as well, waiting for an opportunity to strike. https://globalnews.ca/news/8618494/alberta-coutts-border-pro...

Painting with broad strokes is dangerous.

"How dare you use my words and actions against me!"

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by 908B64B197 » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:57 PM UTC

talentedcoin wrote: post #383

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka... Mounties said in a release Monday that they became aware of a small organized group within the larger protest at Coutts. They say they had information that the group had access to a cache of firearms and ammunition. Officers seized long guns, handguns, multiple sets of body armour, a machete, a large quantity of ammunition and high-capacity firearm magaz…

Did they accidently query their own payroll?

Trudeau's father had the Mounties plant bombs at civilians (Canadian citizens on Canadian soil) back in the 70's and tried to blame it on some political group to justify armed intervention [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involvin...