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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by FireBeyond »

adolph wrote: post #802
FireBeyond wrote: post #688

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The MD also claims "I would say that a huge 18-wheeler is not a peaceful thing to have in the middle of your city" which is weird since large trucks are a primary and pervasive mode of transporting goods nearly everywhere. I must have missed where large trucks sit for days on end, engine running, horns blaring endlessly as part of their "useful public utility". > The story also does not disclose that the interviewe…

The interviewee does not assert that "large trucks sit for days on end, engine running, horns blaring endlessly," just that "a huge 18-wheeler is not a peaceful thing." I deny that pointing out the obvious and undeclared conflict of interest is bias, blatant or not. The physician is articulating the same position as her employer who is in opposition to the protestors. Would it be fair for a Facebook employee to comme…

I assume of course that you’re equally vehement that any protestor who is employed by the government or military also makes sure to point out that they’re a government employee and that they’re speaking against their government’s policies as an individual, just so we don’t confuse them for spokespeople too, yes?

We would not want confusion and ambiguity there either, after all.

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Post by vorpalhex »

mikeyouse wrote: post #541
tablespoon wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> This type of revelation will likely be commonplace in the days/weeks ahead as militant extremists are exposed. > There will always be some opportunistic groups looking to cause more mayhem in chaotic situations like this. These protests have been literally “mostly peaceful” no? Exactly. Didn't "Bugaloo Bois" try to hijack the Black Lives Matter protests? I think it's important to be careful, and not try to paint a…

Several of the most prominent acts of violence during the BLM protests were indeed Boogaloo Boys (murders of multiple police officers in Oakland, arson at a police precinct in Minneapolis, shooting up a different precinct with an AK-47 while shouting "Justice for Floyd!")

Are we in the same reality?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-pleads-guilty-minne...

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Post by dukeofdoom »

liminal wrote: post #497

The lack of effective policing is what's most disappointing to me. The Ottawa police have completely failed to enforce any boundaries. This further erodes public trust in the police and public safety in general. In that sense the protestors are winning.

Police will not attack their own citizens. Sometimes it happens...shocker. Usually when the government is out of line with the sentiment of the people. So now they will try to send in the RCMP to the dirty work. This is a tactic often used by dictators. Send in out of town people to suppress the locals.

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Post by totony »

barbazoo wrote: post #348
sebow wrote: post #125

That's a nice way of spelling doxxing.Remember "it's bad only when the other side does it".

Publishing the already publicly available data isn't doxxing yet. This is necessary information the public needs to see to start estimating how much of that money is coming from foreign donors so we can question why and deal with it accordingly.

I'm eager to see passwords leaks as well as all the other personal info leaks for the last decade be exposed then. Remember the Desjardins leak a few years ago? Is that OK?

I fail to see why a leak is considered "public information" to you or why specifically it's ok for this case but not equifax, desjardins and all the others.

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Post by kukx »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #789
908B64B197 wrote: post #760

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> Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests. On the livestreams they had music blasting and children playing in the snow near the trucks. Doesn’t look like an “insurrection”, as the state media described it, by any stretch (u…

> Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests. Sure, there's the CBC but the rest of our media is not state owned, so that's a weird claim to make.

Well they live in large part on state money according to VivaFrei.

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

WHAT!

People standing up for their rights!

Cue the media attack dog and smear campaign. We need some corporate approved misinformation to get ahead of this.

It's such an obvious formula at this point. Does anyone still not see through it?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

gengelbro wrote: post #757
mplewis wrote: post #747

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot to unpack here, but Ottawa residents are largely against the truckers occupying the roads of their city.

How about citizens of Seattle when the CHAZ was operating? Were they majority for that?

Considering that the CHAZ was in Capitol Hill, I assume the people in that neighborhood were supportive. As for the rest of us in Seattle, most of us never even visited or saw the place (how often does someone who doesn't live in Capitol Hill visit Capitol Hill?), so it was just something we would see on CNN if we were bothering to watch the news at all (it was cool to see FoxNews have some of our buildings burning down even if it wasn't true, their media narrative was pretty messed up).

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Post by tablespoon »

throw10920 wrote: post #799
tablespoon wrote: post #640

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> They're honking for 16-18 hours per day. For people that live near the convoy, they've been able to sleep for over two weeks due to this. I have friends and family affected by this. I'm fairly sure this constitutes torture if you don't have the resources to up and leave your residence for days at a time in order to sleep. Are earplugs not a thing in Canada? Calling honking torture is ridiculous hyperbole. That word…

I challenge you to find earplugs that can be worn 24h a day without any physical discomfort, provide 60dB of attenuation across a wide range of frequencies (these horns probably span low 100's of Hz to mid kHz), and are reasonably inexpensive. Even if you could find such beasts (which I don't think you can), then you have the problem that you effectively can't use your hearing. You thought that social interactions we…

> I challenge you to find earplugs that can be worn 24h a day without any physical discomfort, provide 60dB of attenuation across a wide range of frequencies (these horns probably span low 100's of Hz to mid kHz), and are reasonably inexpensive.

> Even if you could find such beasts (which I don't think you can), then you have the problem that you effectively can't use your hearing. You thought that social interactions were hard with a mask? Imagine not being able to use your hearing at all.

> (yes, 60 dB is necessary because that's how much you'll need in order to sleep - the human ear has an incredibly large dynamic range and even 30 dB_SPL conversations are enough to keep some people awake for hours)

Per this (https://audiology-web.s3.amazonaws.com/migrated/NoiseChart_P...), 30 dB is rated as a "whisper." This (https://mynewmicrophone.com/what-are-decibels-the-ultimate-g...) calls 30 dB SPL a "Quiet bedroom at night."

It sounds like you're challenging me with overkill requirements meant to totally mute the horns almost like they're not there, when the realistic problem is to reduce the noise to the point where someone could sleep.

I kind of find it hard to believe that's not possible with and indoor location + silicone ear plugs (and maybe white noise if you're very sensitive).

> As it stands, many of the residents near these protests are being subjected to low-level sleep deprivation, which is literally torture (as in, used as such by organizations who actually want to extract information or confessions from people).

Again, calling it "literally torture" is ridiculous hyperbole, or at the very least invokes misleading associations. A noisy neighbor is being annoying to his neighbors, not torturing them.

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Post by flyingcircus3 »

giantg2 wrote: post #780
alspacka wrote: post #755

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11 people were arrested on weapons charges at the Alberta blockade (handguns and body armor) and one person was arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit murder for trying to run over police with his tractor

That says a lot if that's what a violent protest looks like in Canada when the "peaceful" ones in the US involve millions of dollars in property damage and numerous injuries or deaths.

While we're on the subject of the fallacy of relative privation, you'll surely acknowledge that the closure of the Ambassador Bridge for a week is a couple orders of magnitude worse than the 2020 protests. After all, the appropriate measure of a protest is dollars lost, and hundreds of millions of dollars of goods cross the bridge every day.

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Post by OJFord »

danudey wrote: post #791
giantg2 wrote: post #780

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That says a lot if that's what a violent protest looks like in Canada when the "peaceful" ones in the US involve millions of dollars in property damage and numerous injuries or deaths.

Well yeah, it's not like we lost a hockey game or anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Vancouver_Stanley_Cup_rio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Vancouver_Stanley_Cup_rio...

Strangest to me there is actually the realisation that 'loo' being a mainly British word (I knew that), over there they're not called 'portaloos'. ('Porta-potties'!)

(Further, both trademarks. Or at least were.)

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