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Post by danudey »

giantg2 wrote: post #780
alspacka wrote: post #755

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11 people were arrested on weapons charges at the Alberta blockade (handguns and body armor) and one person was arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit murder for trying to run over police with his tractor

That says a lot if that's what a violent protest looks like in Canada when the "peaceful" ones in the US involve millions of dollars in property damage and numerous injuries or deaths.

Well yeah, it's not like we lost a hockey game or anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Vancouver_Stanley_Cup_rio...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Vancouver_Stanley_Cup_rio...

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Post by caeril »

sofixa wrote: post #205
defaultname wrote: post #183

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"Far left"? I'm a conservative. Most normal conservatives are vigorously against these protests, for exactly the same reason that we were against railway blockades, and against violence and mayhem that occurred under the umbrella of BLM protests. I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest. Regardless, the literal stated goal of the organi…

> I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest Where do you think that hypocrisy comes from? I'm across the pond so very far from the action, but I'm very curious how people reason about this.

The logical case against the legitimacy of BLM protests is primarily predicated on evidence. Specifically, that while police brutality is definitely a problem in the US, there's no evidence that it disproportionately impacts people of color. When you look at the actual data, it seems that police like to brutalize and kill innocent suspects in a relatively colorblind manner. There are even a few outlier studies that suggest police actually show greater restraint with black suspects, although those studies do have some methodological issues.

It's effectively one of those "reals before feels" situations for those of us who prefer to view politics through a lens of actual data rather than baseless emotion.

Nobody batted an eye when Daniel Shaver's murderer was cleared. The protests should have been explicitly anti-police-brutality, not race-baiting nonsense.

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Post by dukeofdoom »

sudosysgen wrote: post #716
dukeofdoom wrote: post #641

Less than hour before the equivalent of Marshall Law is declared here in Canada and my civil rights are taken away. What should I do in my last hour of freedom?

No, it's not the equivalent to martial law. Every civil law still applies, parliament and the courts are still operating normally with their full powers. It's closer to sending the national guard.

They can put you in prison, and take your car and seize your life savings and property for protesting them, or for giving money for protestors that lost the means to support themselves. Not sure what you're talking about...they decide what is an illegal protest. They will even force tow truck companies to force them to tow protestors vehicles.

And Trudeau just admitted he used American companies to tow Canadian vehicles. Literally used aid from a foreign nation to break up protests in his own country. Presumably with the help of the Michigan governor.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

talentedcoin wrote: post #739
throwaway894345 wrote: post #662

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Oof. That's how the police characterized "illegal fireworks, loud music and horn honking". In fairness to you, your quote from the police was at the tippy top of your article and mine was multiple paragraphs later.

Well, if I'm being charitable, that's exactly the question mark here. There are reports of intimidation and other bad behaviour, but there are also a whole bunch of other people just enjoying the party atmosphere. I think both narratives can be true. To be clear, some of the honking has been going on 18+ hours a day, which is bad, but there are suggestions of worse things under the surface. This happened a couple wee…

I think your standard for “peaceful protest” seems unreasonable. How many large scale protests have there been which had zero reports of “bad behavior”? Can you name any protest in the last 5 years whose scale was comparable to these protests which had no reports of bad behavior?

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Post by amscanne »

lesuorac wrote: post #207
amscanne wrote: post #85

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The polls I've seen had ~half of Canadians sympathetic to the protests [1], and about 20% strongly supporting. It's completely true that it could be one highly motivated individual, but that has nothing to do with your first assertion (which is a mixed truth at best). I think that the government's claim (echoed by many media outlets) that this is purely a fringe movement has added fuel to the fire. [1] https://global…

> An Ipsos poll published Thursday and conducted exclusively for Global News showed that nearly 46 per cent of Canadians say they “may not agree with everything” the trucker convoy says or does, but the frustration of protesters is “legitimate and worthy” of sympathy. I don't think your statement is at odds with gp's. A legitimate concern doesn't make it popular. However, the greater issue is a lack of organization a…

Had the parent post said merely “unpopular”, I’d probably agree. However “super unpopular” to me feels aligned with the government message that this is a tiny fringe minority, which quite frankly, is dishonest.

Re: getting things done, so far it seems counter-productive in the sense that now the government doesn’t want to seem “weak” and relax restrictions, even though it’s what reasonable governments are doing at this point. I’m not going to put this at the feet of the organizers (whoever they are); it simply deepens my already deep disappointment with the Canadian government since thats a political move.

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Post by danudey »

colinmhayes wrote: post #759
ahthat wrote: post #683

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Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

> citizens living in these cities are in support in large numbers Source? The US polls I've seen show 60% support for vaccine mandates, which is probably why the government feels so confident in shutting down the protests. The media I've seen isn't portraying the protestors as violent but as a nuisance.

It does irritate me that the media are referring to it by their own name, "The Freedom Convoy", when it should be something more neutral and objective, like "the Harassment Convoy".

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Post by boringg »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #783
boringg wrote: post #774

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Honestly your post looks like a fraudulent/troll post as you have only posted once. Professing to be a very concerned covid citizen and then saying how peaceful this protest is. It has significant impacts so far: Shutdown the largest trade border, cache of guns found in Coutts protest, local downtown core of Ottawa closed, $800,000 per day to the police services to manage it, harassment of people on the street, white…

> this is an organized protest by two fringe politicians from Alberta who planned to use the wedge issue to get traction for their party. Source? Evidence? (I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong - I don't follow Alberta politics. I'm just saying, I've never heard anything of this, so throw me some breadcrumbs here...)

Tamara Lich is Maverick Party BJ Dichter is Peoples Party. A lot of this is grievance politics imported from the US and Canada West - and definitely some from Ontario. Maybe its breadcrumbs ...

Here's the coles notes on the key people behind this protest:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-a-look-at-the...

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Post by throw10920 »

tablespoon wrote: post #640
purephase wrote: post #450

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They're honking for 16-18 hours per day. For people that live near the convoy, they've been able to sleep for over two weeks due to this. I have friends and family affected by this. I'm fairly sure this constitutes torture if you don't have the resources to up and leave your residence for days at a time in order to sleep.

> They're honking for 16-18 hours per day. For people that live near the convoy, they've been able to sleep for over two weeks due to this. I have friends and family affected by this. I'm fairly sure this constitutes torture if you don't have the resources to up and leave your residence for days at a time in order to sleep. Are earplugs not a thing in Canada? Calling honking torture is ridiculous hyperbole. That word…

I challenge you to find earplugs that can be worn 24h a day without any physical discomfort, provide 60dB of attenuation across a wide range of frequencies (these horns probably span low 100's of Hz to mid kHz), and are reasonably inexpensive.

Even if you could find such beasts (which I don't think you can), then you have the problem that you effectively can't use your hearing. You thought that social interactions were hard with a mask? Imagine not being able to use your hearing at all.

(yes, 60 dB is necessary because that's how much you'll need in order to sleep - the human ear has an incredibly large dynamic range and even 30 dB_SPL conversations are enough to keep some people awake for hours)

As it stands, many of the residents near these protests are being subjected to low-level sleep deprivation, which is literally torture (as in, used as such by organizations who actually want to extract information or confessions from people).

To clarify - it's not honking that's torture, it's sustained honking at a duration and intensity that will cause sleep deprivation and other psychological damage.

Completely independently of the reason that these people are protesting - this particular means is not humane.

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Post by totony »

Naga wrote: post #649
JacobThreeThree wrote: post #632

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>It's not like buildings are burnt down in Ottawa every day. No building was burnt down.

In the country I grew up in, trying and failing to commit crimes is still a crime. The act itself is the crime, not the success of it. Unfortunately these days it seems like the better determinant of whether something is a crime is someone's political affiliation.

Nitpick but parent said "no building were burnt down" and not "no crime was comitted"
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