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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by seattle_spring »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #443
beaconstudios wrote: post #286

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Well, maybe they should get vaccinated then.

Point stands they’re barred entry. Look, I get it. They’re icky and Canada has a long history of denying or trying to deny entry to “icky” ppl. Mediterraneans, Asians, Eminem (though I forgot about that one eh?). Canada has just a long list of things its apologized for. Like barring entry to Mediterraneans, Asians and Eminem.

Comparing racial exclusion and barring felons to how unvaccinated people are being treated is some seriously disingenous nonsense.

> Look, I get it

No, you don't.

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

Naga wrote: post #623
honkdaddy wrote: post #613

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A direct quote from the Ottawa police chief: "We don’t have any direct linkage between the occupation—the demonstrators—and that act." [1] [1] https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=fa5721d6-af8b-48d9-9848-73dcf...

Oh, so the 'debunking' is not on whether or not an attempted mass murder/arson occurred, but that there is no "direct linkage" between the occupation and the crime. What that likely means is that they don't know who the people in the video are. It seems pretty likely to me that it's related to the occupation, especially since there was a 'confrontation' earlier that day with residents of the building. It's not like b…

>It's not like buildings are burnt down in Ottawa every day.

No building was burnt down.

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Post by mcguire »

jcadam wrote: post #500
BeefWellington wrote: post #418

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The case was doomed before it was filed because the pretense and premise is a bit absurd. Air Travel is not a right on its own and the federal government is freely able to place limits on who is allowed onto an airplane already, for a lot of arbitrary reasons (Canadians or otherwise). Setting that aside, provinces also have a say in how that works and could easily also force isolation on returning travelers and invok…

Next time this happens, public health agencies will be dealing with large swaths of their populations who have zero (actually, negative) trust in them and refuse to comply with any and all measures from day one.

How would that differ from the last two years?

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Post by autoexec »

FredPret wrote: post #567
oo0shiny wrote: post #487

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Andy Ngo isn't exactly a reliable source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo#Credibility

But I'm sure his Wikipedia page is

The nice thing about Wikipedia is that claims are sourced. I had no idea who this guy was, but I looked over the statements critical of his credibility and at first glance many of them are sourced at heavily biased media outlets which isn't encouraging. I'm not digging into it enough to say those articles are wrong, but I'd say the clams that he isn't credibile on his wikipedia page aren't looking very convincing so far, or at the very least that view on the guy doesn't seem widely accepted by mainstream sources.

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Post by imwillofficial »

arcticbull wrote: post #569
cf100clunk wrote: post #519

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Please apply what you've just said directly to contemporary Canadian governance and polity.

In ordinary functioning of government and civil society there's an effective separation of the army and the police in law enforcement. In the US, this is governed by the posse comitatus act. Canada doesn't really have an analogue, the government can request the assistance of the army when lower levels of government are unable to perform their duties sufficiently to maintain order. The use of the emergencies act makes…

“government because they don't like the lawful, legal, constitutional decisions.” This is a massive mischaracterization of your political opposition.

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Post by davewritescode »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #245
davewritescode wrote: post #210

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BLM protestors were routinely arrested, beaten and teargassed on live TV for everyone to watch. Donating directly to a mob causing havoc thousands of miles away from you because you're annoyed that your coworkers did the same is why this country and frankly the western world is so entirely broken. This is a wonderful example of the politics of spite in action. Making the world a better place has gone out the window,…

No they weren’t! People protesting BLM didnt get scratched as America got together to condemn police brutality. Antifa, who highjacked the protests and torched cities, got arrested. But most were released by sympathetic DAs. In fairness the BLM organizers are getting arrested. For fraud.

I don't want to get political here, that's not my intention but this even was 100% peaceful protestors who just happened to be somewhere the President wanted to go were gassed for no reason.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-...

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Post by arcticbull »

imwillofficial wrote: post #635
arcticbull wrote: post #569

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In ordinary functioning of government and civil society there's an effective separation of the army and the police in law enforcement. In the US, this is governed by the posse comitatus act. Canada doesn't really have an analogue, the government can request the assistance of the army when lower levels of government are unable to perform their duties sufficiently to maintain order. The use of the emergencies act makes…

“government because they don't like the lawful, legal, constitutional decisions.” This is a massive mischaracterization of your political opposition.

If it's unlawful, illegal or unconstitutional then avenues exist within the courts to resolve their grievances do they not? I'm led to believe that rule of law continues to prevail within Canada.

[edit] Not just that, Trudeau operates a minority government, meaning two other parties could gang up and oust them at basically any time. And yet, he remains in office. I think this really speaks to how small the vocal minority is.

They've brought guns, ammo, knives [1], built encampments, stashed them full of diesel and propane [2], disrupted trade, jobs, lives, supply chains, threatened violence. Harassed and intimidated healthcare workers. And for what? This is not your average picket, and it's gone on more than long enough.

We're all frustrated, we're all tired of this. I'm open to revisiting the health measures, but not like this.

[1] https://news.sky.com/story/freedom-convoy-guns-seized-in-rai...

[2] https://www.newsweek.com/ottawa-police-seize-fuel-truckers-a...

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Post by AzzieElbab »

purephase wrote: post #580
AzzieElbab wrote: post #522

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minority does not need to be defined by race sex or religion. What about people who had covid and reluctant about vaccines? All that word soup is irrelevant. Getting fired after having worked through the heights of epidemic is a serious "lived experience" and also "an ample evidence" of bureaucratic overreach. Anyway, bunch of provinces including Ontario already cancelled vaccine mandates and vaccine passports, only…

Getting fired for not getting vaccines was a line that I didn't agree with. However, the vast majority of organizations that did this were private though, and it was the organization that implemented these policies. I'd hardly equate that with government overreach, and especially not the federal government if you're a nurse/healthcare worker, or worked in a local municipal government. My point is that these protests…

Majority of the BLM weren’t killed by a cop standing on their necks. Your point was understood and invalidated

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Post by hanselot »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #577
purephase wrote: post #447

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I've said this before. There's a strong libertarian bent to HN and I'm not surprised if there's a large contingent of this site that actively supports the convoy. There's people here that are strong supports of Peter Thiel, if that's any indication of where their sympathies lie. But, most of them are not residents of Ottawa, and the lived experiences of people in that city, particurlarly those who have had run ins wi…

> I've said this before. There's a strong libertarian bent to HN and I'm not surprised if there's a large contingent of this site that actively supports the convoy. There's people here that are strong supports of Peter Thiel, if that's any indication of where their sympathies lie. Wait and you've extrapolated this from claims of a downvote made in the first hour after posting a reply on a politically controversial to…

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Post by tablespoon »

purephase wrote: post #450
blast wrote: post #445

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I didn't downvote you, but you're using extreme language like "torture" (I know noise and sleep deprivation are associated with torture but this sort of verbal escalation is not objective) and the only in-depth reporting I've seen on the arson thing makes it seem completely debunked: https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1490557119816425474 (or https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1490525934948081666 - I'm not sure what the…

They're honking for 16-18 hours per day. For people that live near the convoy, they've been able to sleep for over two weeks due to this. I have friends and family affected by this. I'm fairly sure this constitutes torture if you don't have the resources to up and leave your residence for days at a time in order to sleep.

> They're honking for 16-18 hours per day. For people that live near the convoy, they've been able to sleep for over two weeks due to this. I have friends and family affected by this. I'm fairly sure this constitutes torture if you don't have the resources to up and leave your residence for days at a time in order to sleep.

Are earplugs not a thing in Canada?

Calling honking torture is ridiculous hyperbole. That word should be reserved for the extremely serious kinds of acts it's normally used to describe, lest it become effectively meaningless.

Words themselves don't have any power, and if you try to harness the power of a concept by misusing a word that refers to it, you just cause the word's definition to shift and to weaken its association to the concept (potentially making that concept much harder to access and refer to).

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