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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by BoorishBears »

busterarm wrote: post #198
BoorishBears wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get this... You're saying it's my bias that the protestors are right leaning, and therefore the attackers are left? Isn't that just an open fact? You omitting it doesn't make it not true...

> Isn't that just an open fact? No, it isn't. Not in their own words. If you've only been watching CBC/CNN, well, that's a big part of the problem then.

This doesn't feel like a reply in good faith.

I mean it's easy enough to see the political aspect here isn't tied to the political leanings of news source:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/freedom-convoy-trucker-canadas...

I got the impression you were browbeating me for not intentionally ignoring very plain context as you did, and you seem to be confirming that.

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Post by tagoregrtst »

canadianeh2 wrote: post #20

i have a 4 year old daughter in ontario who has never seen her friends faces or her teacher's face. she eats outside even when it's -20. as of today, no end in sight for these rules. why? it's shameful. im surprised the civil unrest in canada isnt worse.

My buddy lives near Hamilton. The stuff his kids are going through is insane.

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Post by inter_netuser »

peeters wrote: post #80
abernard1 wrote: post #45

As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…

If you're going to attack "media mischaracterizations" let's be truthful. > but because white collar, work-at-home employees are mildly inconvenienced for a week, they're advocating police action against them and calling it an insurrection. "Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for shutting down a border crossing that handles $350 million in trade per day. "Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for r…

Medically unsafe volumes claim has not been substantiated with any real evidence, and quite frankly absolutely false at first glance because the driver located right next to the horn would have permanently ringing ears by now.

There is however evidence of many false claims, later walked back, just like the assault at the shelter, which as it turns out, was: 1) verbal assault 2) did not involve anyone from the convoy. Conveniently that claim was spread by a charity mostly funded by the City of Ottawa (10mil), of which 9 mil goes to salaries and only 450k to groceries and 850k to programs.

Disgusting.

As for the residents of ottawa, living in the nation capital, and not expecting boisterous protests is plain privledge and entitlement. That’s what you see in the mirror every morning: privilege and entitlement.

Calling a strike an insurrection is an insult to millions in Canada who have fled actual wars. It’s also an insult to every socialist that supports the right of workers to organize and strike, that you want to now shutdown with martial law.

Disgusting.

Oh, truckers can find another job if they don’t like the jab? So you can move to another city too.

Just like the jab, nobody forces you to live in Ottawa, it was YOUR. CHOICE.

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Post by native_samples »

gruez wrote: post #171
soared wrote: post #150

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Uhhh it’s definitely less valid? Truckers are complaining about vaccine passports, blm was complaining about being killed by police officers.

>Uhhh it’s definitely less valid? The truckers see vaccine passports as an oppressive government action, and people getting killed by police officers as no big deal. The BLM protesters see police killings as an oppressive government action, and vaccine passports as no big deal. See the issue here? We as a society need standards for behavior that don't just boil down to "if you think it's justified then you can do wha…

Er, you don't know truckers think people getting killed by police officers is "no big deal". That appears to be something you just made up right now, as there's no obvious way you could possibly know that for sure. Or do you have some specific evidence, like a poll of the truckers on what they thought of BLM last year?

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Post by dang »

busterarm wrote: post #114
dang wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't take HN threads in the direction of generic ideological flamewar. It makes the discussion much more predictable and repetitive, and usually much nastier. We're trying to avoid all that here, and you can make your substantive points without it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

This is anything but generic ideological flamewar here, dang. I'm clearly slamming both "tribes" for their tribalism here. More importantly, I'm someone deeply involved with the kinds of people that would have been able to perform this kind of hack and would do so for political reasons. I am directly calling their behavior awful. I'm explicitly condemning the doxxing of ordinary people for their political activity an…

Ok, fair enough. On closer reading, I think I pattern-matched your comment the wrong way!

(That said, it's still rhetorically in the flamewar style and that's the wrong style for HN. We want curious conversation here.)

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Post by tagoregrtst »

czzr wrote: post #65
abernard1 wrote: post #45

As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…

You live in Austin and donated to support protests in Canada? I’m curious about that - why are you actively getting involved in another country?

Maybe he’s Canadian?

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Post by dang »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #158
dang wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't take HN threads in the direction of generic ideological flamewar. It makes the discussion much more predictable and repetitive, and usually much nastier. We're trying to avoid all that here, and you can make your substantive points without it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

To pick out this comment when people upthread are calling what amounts to a party in downtown Ottawa an insurrection and an attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government is pretty gross.

I'm not picking out or singling out anybody's comments or any dogs in any of these fights. I'm trying to neutrally apply the site guidelines in a bog-standard way. Alas, that involves making mistakes—quite a few of them, because the quantity of material posted here doesn't allow for a close reading of everything, or even a quick reading of everything (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...).

Nevertheless we need to try to prevent this place from being engulfed in flames, since that's (a) the default internet outcome and (b) everything HN is not supposed to be for.

One of many ways everyone can contribute to this effort is by resisting the reflex to assume that the moderators are secretly privileging the side you don't like. That's a common illusion (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...) but it makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by rwj »

_-david-_ wrote: post #227
rwj wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mind if it inconvenience the government, but they have severely impacted residential neighbourhoods as well. Others in the movement have blocked commercial traffic across the border, putting people jobs at risk. Ironically, I think these higher pressure activities will back fire. They could probably find a lot of support for easing restrictions, but destroying people's homes and jobs is not going to make or k…

You believe the same thing about BLM right? They took over residential areas and blocked commercial traffic from coming. Look at Chop/Chaz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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Post by monkeybutton »

bawolff wrote: post #145
amscanne wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The polls I've seen had ~half of Canadians sympathetic to the protests [1], and about 20% strongly supporting. It's completely true that it could be one highly motivated individual, but that has nothing to do with your first assertion (which is a mixed truth at best). I think that the government's claim (echoed by many media outlets) that this is purely a fringe movement has added fuel to the fire. [1] https://global…

I see your poll and raise you this one https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia... where 2/3 of canada don't just dislike the protest but hate them so much they want the military to deal with them.

Schrödinger's Canadian: Simultaneously supports the occupation and wants to see it crushed.

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Post by busterarm »

dahfizz wrote: post #224
busterarm wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because I called this all out for what it is and the moderation here has the thinnest veneer of fairness. A few very high profile posters get away with absolute murder on this board (especially in the form of personal attacks) because they pass the SV ideological purity test, but the rest of us have to keep our opinions to ourselves.

This is way off base. dang is an excellent and fair moderator.

Usually. Nobody is perfect.

There are certain topics and certain people that do not get moderated fairly and HN itself has certain biases that are encouraged or have opposition to them discouraged. If you know what they are, you know what they are.

Bringing up HN's (often subtle but often not-so) bias against average poor people gets heavily moderated here.

I give dang credit versus other moderators elsewhere who are explicitly biased and don't give a fuck how you feel about it.

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