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Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by TedShiller »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #96
TedShiller wrote: post #23

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> it's either the greatest thing in the universe that cures all ailments or it's the devil's grass. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle Correct. And of those two extremes, it's probably closer to the negative side than to the greatest thing ever. Unfortunately, the greatest thing ever has not been found yet.

Middle is the wrong way to put it. There is a middle to every bell curve, but being on the wings of the bell curve is usually a sucky place to be. I would say it’s both and it will depend on the users genetics and the quality of the cannabis. The pesticides used on illegal cannabis productions is not something to be ignored. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666027X2...

It’s probably not the worst thing ever but it’s definitely not the greatest thing ever.

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Post by aaaaaaaaata »

selimthegrim wrote: post #123
intricatedetail wrote: post #87

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The N word is also commonly used, doesn't mean it's right. There should be no place for racism in academia. I am surprised this is up since 2020.

What do you think Spanish speakers call it?

Mota

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by ChrisLomont »

buescher wrote: post #139
ChrisLomont wrote: post #127

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You are correct - it was not a study, since that would require studying some empirical data instead of making up values. It was actually an essay, akin to a guest blog post, but for a journal [0]. Look at his paper - it clearly relies on values that he made up - there is not a single measurement of actual papers to fill in his formulas. What he did was show it was possible for stuff to be wrong, given values he pulle…

Yeah, the papers you cite both basically start "Look, we know you all abuse the heck out of p-values and you really should stop (wink wink nudge nudge) doing that" and go on to "gee, if you start with much more optimistic assumptions than Ioannidis, then you don't come to such rhetorically devastating conclusions". Of course, he's a very bad man for pointing all this out, isn't he?

No, if you read my the papers you'd learn his claim, based not on measuring papers,but on guessing, is wrong.

When people measured the required items, his conclusion is not supported by evidence.

Ioannidis made assumptions that didn't hold up under empirical testing. End of story. Measurement trumps belief.

I gather you prefer conclusions based on feelings. I prefer my science to measure things to discard invalid claims.

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Post by eurasiantiger »

bryans wrote: post #137
eurasiantiger wrote: post #105

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How do you explain that cannabis has been used recreationally for thousands of years around the world, but this CHS is only limited to the last two decades in the US? Don’t you think there might be something else going on there?

It's not limited to the last two decades in the US -- and to clarify, I said that ERs have been flooded with an increase of cases in the past two decades, not that it has only existed for that long. There are a dozen reasons that CHS is only very recently becoming understood and why known cases are skyrocketing, and why I can be 100% confident that CHS is both real and that cannabis is the direct cause. Here are just…

None of your sources are relevant to what you are claiming, and the first one pushes ads for mushroom NFTs.

Your case does not seem very credible. Pushing an agenda? :-)

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by buescher »

ChrisLomont wrote: post #143
buescher wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the papers you cite both basically start "Look, we know you all abuse the heck out of p-values and you really should stop (wink wink nudge nudge) doing that" and go on to "gee, if you start with much more optimistic assumptions than Ioannidis, then you don't come to such rhetorically devastating conclusions". Of course, he's a very bad man for pointing all this out, isn't he?

No, if you read my the papers you'd learn his claim, based not on measuring papers,but on guessing, is wrong. When people measured the required items, his conclusion is not supported by evidence. Ioannidis made assumptions that didn't hold up under empirical testing. End of story. Measurement trumps belief. I gather you prefer conclusions based on feelings. I prefer my science to measure things to discard invalid cla…

Why, I'm an emotional wreck I guess to notice these things! Maybe when you calm down you can examine the assumptions behind the method of examining p-values in the paper you cited.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by bryans »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #144
bryans wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not limited to the last two decades in the US -- and to clarify, I said that ERs have been flooded with an increase of cases in the past two decades, not that it has only existed for that long. There are a dozen reasons that CHS is only very recently becoming understood and why known cases are skyrocketing, and why I can be 100% confident that CHS is both real and that cannabis is the direct cause. Here are just…

None of your sources are relevant to what you are claiming, and the first one pushes ads for mushroom NFTs. Your case does not seem very credible. Pushing an agenda? :-)

> None of your sources are relevant to what you are claiming

The titles of the research I linked to literally say "Cyclical Vomiting Syndrome" and "the effects of cannabis on appetite hormones". But you're claiming they don't have anything to do with cyclical vomiting or how cannabis affects appetite? You're claiming the exact opposite of reality.

> and the first one pushes ads for mushroom NFTs

A website had an ad? Stop the presses and shut down the internet! After all, we can't be having websites trying to pay their bills, right?

> Pushing an agenda?

You are performing the most ridiculously blatant case of gaslighting I've ever come across. You're trying to tell me that I don't experience the things I experience, and that I'm not reading the things I'm reading, and that ALL of my doctors are directly lying to me (and hundreds of thousands of other people), and that hundreds of scientists and medical professionals are wrong and creating fake research. But you're not making these claims because you actually know better or even bothered reading the things I linked to, but instead because a website had an ad that offended you, and for some insane reason you saw that as an opportunity to troll someone.

What's even more absurd is that you think I have an anti-marijuana agenda, while I'm sitting here actively smoking a bowl right now, knowing full well that I put myself at risk for CHS. I never said I was anti-marijuana, I said marijuana isn't perfectly safe.

So, you concocted an entire scenario in your head, and absolutely none of it is true. You are a shockingly disturbed individual, and the exact embodiment of what makes this place a toxic community.

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