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Discord is a black hole for information

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Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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This is the real answer. casual users just want to Press button->Receive bacon. If anything looks lame or hard, their limbic systems will direct them right back where their freidns are. "Matrix? Dude just get on Discord we're forming a party right now."

That's a weird and kind of egotistical way of saying that it's a platform that doesn't ask you to invoke the Olde Magycks in order to make it do the thing you want to use it for. IRC asks you to invest before you use it, IRC needs you to care first. Discord does not need you to care about it in order to use it. It works even if you actively despise it.

Yes, you are very correct.

Discord definitely wants it that way, they are for sure thinking about the moment when you are trying to get in game fast and easy, and nobody cares to switch their platform, especially to something unfamiliar.

The thing about the limbic system is that you're gonna feel the pull to just come along. If your casual game group is just doing that, its a pretty hard sell when everyone already is using Discord and if they arent its extremely fast to begin, well known and even works in a browser.

If by egotistical you mean believing oneself to be better and more important than others, I disagree: I've had this exact experience, what would have been egotistical would be demanding they use mumble or matrix instead of the thing that already works for everyone.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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a project other people use? they can google answers or use forum search… I’m not at their beck and call to answer questions in chat different people will like different things, but chat is transient an hour a month on server maintenance isn’t going to make or break anyone’s project, but if you don’t like tinkering with things there’s nothing wrong with that

>a project other people use? they can google answers or use forum search can you give example?

not mine, but forums I frequent:

https://users.rust-lang.org/ https://discuss.emberjs.com/ https://github.community/

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Discord is the open source equivalent of companies replacing customer service call centers with a phone menu "assistant". It saves time and resources for the maintainers to just say "check the discord!"

It's like the tech support version of burying you in legal documents. It's a great way to make you give up.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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The issue of the barrier to entering a forum and ask a question used to be a non-issue, as it was easily solved by appending a shout-box to it. Ephemeral, anonymous, low barrier chat coexisted with search engine-indexed, longer-form forum threads (as well as pinned threads that had a similar function to a wiki). Pseudonyms were less of a problem when you could use a different pseudonym in each forum, while on Discord…

>shout-box to it. Ephemeral, anonymous, low barrier chat coexisted with search engine-indexed, How would that even work? google indexes something under forum.com/ and you enter it and have to scroll forever?

They usually were two separate parts on the same page, the shout-box was a widget and its content did not get indexed. The forum was usually not a single-page application, and forum threads were paginated. Here's a modern-day example [1]

[1] http://www.logic-sunrise.com/forums/

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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>shout-box to it. Ephemeral, anonymous, low barrier chat coexisted with search engine-indexed, How would that even work? google indexes something under forum.com/ and you enter it and have to scroll forever?

They usually were two separate parts on the same page, the shout-box was a widget and its content did not get indexed. The forum was usually not a single-page application, and forum threads were paginated. Here's a modern-day example [1] [1] http://www.logic-sunrise.com/forums/

I thought you wanted to say in previous comment that shoutbox will be indexed, nvm.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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You mean: is has history on the server ?

Discord has history on the server, unlike IRC. This makes a huge difference when joining a new channel.

I know, I was correcting "Discord [...] has history in the client" from your comment.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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What is strange about Discord is this great discrepancy between the ones that love it and the ones that hate it. If I were to guess on the reason of why that might be it would be that Discord is probably really good for the people that are constantly on it, and don't really miss any communication going in. These people have probably been there for some time so they don't feel the problem of not knowing where the past…

I love Discord because people were jerks on forums and they are nice on Discord. Something about knowing this flame war is for the permanent record (and the fact it keeps getting bumped) just seems to drive people off the deep end.

>and the fact it keeps getting bumped

One thing I never understood is why so many forums neglected to implement sage functionality like what you have on imageboards. There would never have been bans for so-called 'necroposting'.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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About half of the Discord servers I have joined completely stalled and became ghost towns; when they did I deleted them. The bigger ones, while thriving, have huge numbers of users but are terrible for finding information that the org they represent needs to retain.

Out of curiosity, why? Seems fairly simple to perform simple keyword searching, just like Slack.

Usually you won't know what server it will be in, and usually you'll be searching from google.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Discord never promised, to anyone, it'd be an indexable source of information. Funnily enough, neither are electronic mailing lists. Great effort was required to publish them for search crawlers. Electronic mail is fundamentally private communication. Discord is a chat app for chatting with your buddies, privately. Private conversations? Remember those. The issue here isn't that Discord is bad at its job. The issue i…

The problem with Discord is it fails to provide any way at all to move from chat to forum, or perhaps a better phrase would be "plazas and warrens" https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2010/10/27/warrens-plazas-and-the... . Discord nails the 'fast' part but there's no way for good stuff to 'percolate up' into slower long-term mediums (https://www.gwern.net/Backstop#internet-community-design). Usenet had FAQs, IRCs had associated mailing lists & bugtrackers, Reddits have wikis, and so on. Discord has just an ever-increasing backlog. (The search functionality isn't too bad, but nevertheless, I regularly found myself searching for stuff I knew I or someone else had said or linked, and failing to find it simply because there were so many hits to scroll through snippets thereof.)

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Discord "won me" over the voice chat. It's just so easy to use and setup for people. I know it's a hard pill to swallow on HN but NOT everyone wants and/or can run their own TS/Mumble/Ventrilo server. That's the number 1 reason Discord became popular in gaming groups. Want voice chat for your WoW raid? 2 clicks. Going to play CSOG with your friends? Here is the voice chat channel. Discord is not perfect for sure (the…

You can get just as good voice chat on Signal, and it is miles easier to use than Discord, especially for people familiar with WhatsApp, Viber and other privacy invaders. And all of the screenshares and embeds that Discord gets glorified over work just as well over [matrix]

Discord and signal are completely different apps for very different use cases.
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