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Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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PBS Nova did a great documentary on Medical Cannabis recently. The researcher they interviewed said that "people seem to think it's either the greatest thing in the universe that cures all ailments or it's the devil's grass. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle". It can do great things like alleviate seizures in children, but they showed it has issues as well. One example was that those who smoke small amoun…

> it's either the greatest thing in the universe that cures all ailments or it's the devil's grass. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle Correct. And of those two extremes, it's probably closer to the negative side than to the greatest thing ever. Unfortunately, the greatest thing ever has not been found yet.

> Unfortunately, the greatest thing ever has not been found yet.

You have never experienced the joy of a cardboard box.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Do you have a source on that?

I believe it is from this interview, but I don't have time to go through it and find the timestamp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0NSi7tiQBE

Thank you.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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I agree. I was kind of shocked at the number of people I knew who thought it was bad before suddenly decided it wasn’t anymore and started consuming it after it was legalized in the states I frequent. Just because something is legal does not make it a good idea to do; by that token just because something is illegal does not necessarily make it bad to do (other than legal problems that is). I think the important thing…

>by that token just because something is illegal does not necessarily make it bad to do Well, yeah. Hiding a Jew in 1940s Germany or a native child in 1960s Canada was totally illegal. Democracy functions when the individual is the moral authority because large groups reliably become sociopathic. I suspect that's baked into our biology to some degree, why would we historically form a very large group absent the kind…

Agreed. Humans are currently caught in an epic struggle with the very primal instincts that enabled our species to endure as an unbroken genetic line descending from the most basic lifeform on earth to one which is capable of modifying its own genome. I doubt there is anything we couls consider “evil” that is not related to the operation of ancient traits which gave our ancestors evolutionary advantage at the time.

Also for anyone who is unaware of what was meant by sheltering native children in Canada: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixties_Scoop

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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post #131

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> it's either the greatest thing in the universe that cures all ailments or it's the devil's grass. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle Correct. And of those two extremes, it's probably closer to the negative side than to the greatest thing ever. Unfortunately, the greatest thing ever has not been found yet.

> Unfortunately, the greatest thing ever has not been found yet. You have never experienced the joy of a cardboard box.

My cats concur

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Cannabis seems like it isn't all its hyped up to be -- and the $MJ cannabis ETF is down 70% since its 2019 peak.

The stocks were overvalued by idiots who don’t understand cannabis is a commodity that is extremely easy to grow, with virtually zero barriers to entry. Canada has or had a massive surplus of cannabis. Black market weed is expensive because every step in the chain adds a risk premium to account for the legal risk of possessing and selling cannabis (and the physical risk of being robbed, etc). If it’s legal, that risk…

> idiots who don’t understand cannabis is a commodity that is extremely easy to grow

You’d think this fact would be readily apparent for something with a nickname like weed.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Yep, cannabis seems like the solution for a lot of random things (various confounding diseases, including depression, etc) until you look at the possible long-term effects. Those are usually conveniently ignored. I get it though. The guy hyping and selling you cannabis is not going to be dealing with your long-term effects in 20 years.

The potency has also become quite outrageous. As if drinking straight moonshine is somehow a better experience than a bottle of wine because the proof is higher.

Increased potency does not necessarily have to be a bad thing if 1) products are clearly labeled with THC percentage, which they are these days now that pot is legalized in many places, and 2) users are intelligent about their intake.

One could even argue that stronger marijuana is good, since that means you need to smoke less to get an effective dose, and that reduces any adverse effects from inhaling smoke.

The analogy to "moonshine" is also a poor one. The increased potency of marijuana that is competently grown these days is also accompanied by superior aromas/flavors and an increased ability to customize your experience by selecting known strains. It's a superior product, not merely a product with more THC.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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I didn't have to "hunt" for anything -- I am a chronic sufferer of CHS and have almost died from it on a number of occasions. And the deaths I linked to are only a handful among many suspected ones, for an illness which is just starting to be properly investigated. ERs have been flooded with severe cases of CHS over the past two decades. It's not just three people dying in rare cases, it's potentially 2.75 million[1]…

How do you explain that cannabis has been used recreationally for thousands of years around the world, but this CHS is only limited to the last two decades in the US? Don’t you think there might be something else going on there?

It's not limited to the last two decades in the US -- and to clarify, I said that ERs have been flooded with an increase of cases in the past two decades, not that it has only existed for that long. There are a dozen reasons that CHS is only very recently becoming understood and why known cases are skyrocketing, and why I can be 100% confident that CHS is both real and that cannabis is the direct cause. Here are just four of them.

1. Cannabinoid content is through the roof. Legalization created a marketing arms race between growers to develop hybrids which yield the highest possible THC and CBD content (the only two cannabinoids listed on the labels), and that resulted in nearly every available strain now containing more than triple[1] the average THC since the 1990s. Plants are effectively now at their maximum potential levels, and that's not even considering the advancements in oil production leading to levels as high as 99% THC, while also being extremely easy to over-consume.

2. We thought it was strictly a childhood disease for hundreds of years[2]. In the early 19th century, documented reports of cyclical vomiting were largely from children experiencing migraines and an unexplained slowing of GI motility resulting in prolonged vomiting. Any cases reported by adults were presumed to be a continuation of their childhood cyclical vomiting syndrome. This presumption lasted until the 1980s, so until the past few decades there hadn't been a motivation to consider other possible culprits.

3. We thought cannabis increased GI motility. Until the research flood gates opened over the past couple of decades, there was a presumption that cannabis "improved" the digestive process. I've only ever found research that refutes this idea, so it seems to be a Berenstain Bears situation where everyone thinks we had done the research and came to a determination, but we've actually been operating entirely on the anecdote that weed "makes you hungry." In reality, cannabis slows GI motility[3a] and the "hunger" is actually a combination of reduced psychological inhibition and a reduction of PYY hormones[3b]. We think we're hungry, but we're actually overfilling our stomachs to extremes.

4. CHS can be induced on demand. A person susceptible to CHS needs only to consume cannabis for a prolonged period and then stop suddenly, at which point a vomiting episode is almost guaranteed to start. Unfortunately, "stopping" doesn't necessarily mean quitting, as all it takes to induce a CHS episode is eating a meal without smoking afterward and then going to sleep. At some point during the night, any previously smoked cannabis will no longer have an effect, but it takes a long time (typically days) for the body to restart producing the required endocannabinoids to replace the marijuana cannabinoids that the system had previously been flooded with -- which is why CHS sufferers often report of waking up unexpectedly early preceding an episode. All of this temporarily results in the upper intestine and stomach valve becoming virtually non-functional, but because the stomach is still producing digestive fluids, it eventually becomes overfilled. The vomiting starts because the stomach is desperately pumping and convulsing in an attempt to push its contents through a valve that has effectively become a brick wall.

[1] https://wayofleaf.com/blog/average-thc-content-over-the-year...

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2886424/

[3a] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22133305/

[3b] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6200580/

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

#138

So, if HPV is a sexually transmitted disease, and you are in a monogamous relationship, and you and your partner don't have it, what's to worry about here?

How do you know? HPV is transmitted by skin to skin contact. Have you ever had a wart on your skin, anywhere? HPV is incredibly common, contagious, and causes no noticeable effects in the overwhelming majority of cases. If you've had sex with more than one person, or the person you've had sex with has had sex with more than one, you've probably been exposed to one or more strains.

Furthermore condoms are ineffective at stopping HPV transmission, even though they are very effective against HIV. This is why almost every adult carries HPV (or did until a few years ago when the vaccines rolled out).

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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A fair criticism of Ionnidis would be "statisticians always knew this about every field that reports statistical significance with p-values, but no one was going to listen, I don't know what that guy's got". I'm not aware of any substantive "debunking" of his famous paper, which is not a "study".

You are correct - it was not a study, since that would require studying some empirical data instead of making up values. It was actually an essay, akin to a guest blog post, but for a journal [0]. Look at his paper - it clearly relies on values that he made up - there is not a single measurement of actual papers to fill in his formulas. What he did was show it was possible for stuff to be wrong, given values he pulle…

Yeah, the papers you cite both basically start "Look, we know you all abuse the heck out of p-values and you really should stop (wink wink nudge nudge) doing that" and go on to "gee, if you start with much more optimistic assumptions than Ioannidis, then you don't come to such rhetorically devastating conclusions". Of course, he's a very bad man for pointing all this out, isn't he?

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

#140

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Yep, cannabis seems like the solution for a lot of random things (various confounding diseases, including depression, etc) until you look at the possible long-term effects. Those are usually conveniently ignored. I get it though. The guy hyping and selling you cannabis is not going to be dealing with your long-term effects in 20 years.

The potency has also become quite outrageous. As if drinking straight moonshine is somehow a better experience than a bottle of wine because the proof is higher.

Some people enjoy a mixed drink after dinner, others go through a few bottles of two-buck chuck wine a day.

That's pretty much how it works with pot, too. That fragrant little bud of hydro is going to put you to bed after a couple of puffs, while all-day smokers can burn an eighth or more a day of mids.

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