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Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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sigh, a lot of articles in the past mentionned the positive effects of cannabinoids on tumor growth (slower growth, no metastasis, also apoptosis trigger) so now it's a double edged sword.

It seems everything we eat both causes and prevents cancer, if all the different research is to be believed. https://www.sciencealert.com/everything-we-eat-both-causes-a... "Is everything we eat associated with cancer? A systematic cookbook review" (open access) https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/97/1/127/4576988 Conclusions: Associations with cancer risk or benefits have been claimed for most food ingredients. Ma…

In nutrition it's my personal conclusion after roaming pubmed. Any ingredient can be linked to problems or benefits. Eat many, eat few, move often, relax, think, hug and sleep.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Most of these cancers seem to hit people aged 40-60, and I’m not sure from the article but I think they are saying if you have this cancer smoking weed might speed it’s growth, but not that it is a cause of the cancer in the first place. If that’s right I don’t get why this is being described as a crisis. Just suggest patients don’t smoke if they are diagnosed with this cancer. Source for the age claim: https://pubme…

An important fact to have on the table would be whether marijuana use is tightly linked to early mortality. Regardless of the cause, whether it's cancer or heart disease, substantial increases in mortality should be observable.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Why most published research findings are false: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Most_Published_Research_...

That study has been debunked. For example, in it he guesses at some factors fundamental to his thesis. Later studies to empirically measure those factors found his guesses to be wildly incorrect, and correcting for the empirical data, Ioannis claims are found to be unsupportable.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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PBS Nova did a great documentary on Medical Cannabis recently. The researcher they interviewed said that "people seem to think it's either the greatest thing in the universe that cures all ailments or it's the devil's grass. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle". It can do great things like alleviate seizures in children, but they showed it has issues as well. One example was that those who smoke small amoun…

> it's either the greatest thing in the universe that cures all ailments or it's the devil's grass. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle Correct. And of those two extremes, it's probably closer to the negative side than to the greatest thing ever. Unfortunately, the greatest thing ever has not been found yet.

Middle is the wrong way to put it. There is a middle to every bell curve, but being on the wings of the bell curve is usually a sucky place to be.

I would say it’s both and it will depend on the users genetics and the quality of the cannabis. The pesticides used on illegal cannabis productions is not something to be ignored.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666027X2...

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Why most published research findings are false: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Most_Published_Research_...

That study has been debunked. For example, in it he guesses at some factors fundamental to his thesis. Later studies to empirically measure those factors found his guesses to be wildly incorrect, and correcting for the empirical data, Ioannis claims are found to be unsupportable.

Ironic, isn't it?

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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The only reason we permit a fun substance to be used is if we believe there is a medical reason. It is no surprise then that we invent medical reasons to legalize things when the ultimate goal is to have them be fun. Like, I enjoy psilocybin and MDMA, but I'm going to upvote everything that claims it is good and I'm going to contribute my part to making it sound like the discovery of antibiotics. You know why? Anythi…

I mean, legit medical use of weed is a real thing. helps with cancer nausea, some seizures, pain etc. doesn't work for me though - gives me panic attacks and keeps me from shutting out how badly my body has degenerated from this awful disorder. but it works great for a lot of other folks. it just depends.

Weed gives me horrible panic attacks as well. Only had it five times and every time it was horrible. There is something genetic here I wish they would investigate. I think it might get to the bottom of some mood disorders.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Why most published research findings are false: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Most_Published_Research_...

That study has been debunked. For example, in it he guesses at some factors fundamental to his thesis. Later studies to empirically measure those factors found his guesses to be wildly incorrect, and correcting for the empirical data, Ioannis claims are found to be unsupportable.

I'm not aware of those studies related to the Ioannides paper, but the story on replication in psychology and specifically social psychology is not at all pretty.

My sense is that there are research domains that are functional, but others (social, clinical psychology) which are not at all. Given the level of motivated cognition and sloppy thinking evident in decades of psychiatric and other research into cannabis use, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find low standards in studies of this type. I'm not saying that's the case, but it's certainly my prior when reading any dietary studies, or studies of "bad effect x" of recreational drugs.

In general, when publishing any study like this the research should be contextualised properly. For example, it would make sense to state the effect size in relation to the risk of drinking 10% more than the recommended units of alcohol, or smoking 20 cigarettes per day.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Cannabis seems like it isn't all its hyped up to be -- and the $MJ cannabis ETF is down 70% since its 2019 peak.

Yep, cannabis seems like the solution for a lot of random things (various confounding diseases, including depression, etc) until you look at the possible long-term effects. Those are usually conveniently ignored. I get it though. The guy hyping and selling you cannabis is not going to be dealing with your long-term effects in 20 years.

The potency has also become quite outrageous.

As if drinking straight moonshine is somehow a better experience than a bottle of wine because the proof is higher.

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