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Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by s5300 »

derefr wrote: post #66
friedturkey wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently about 80% of sexually active people have some form of HPV. Even when people think they don't have it, it's quite probable they do. Statistically speaking, more than a couple people in these comments have some form of it.

Even for the generations now who grew up with freely-available (but sadly not "matter-of-course") HPV vaccination?

Probably.

Google is telling me you can receive the vaccine as early as 9, but it’s typically recommended/given at 11-12.

If that’s correct, HPV is something as simple as foot/hand warts that can often be spread in things like gym locker rooms. A fair amount of people are exposed to those environments around or before that age, & sometimes it’s spread by something as simple as your shared home bathtub/shower.

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Post by agumonkey »

renewiltord wrote: post #35
xqcgrek2 wrote: post #2

Cannabis seems like it isn't all its hyped up to be -- and the $MJ cannabis ETF is down 70% since its 2019 peak.

The only reason we permit a fun substance to be used is if we believe there is a medical reason. It is no surprise then that we invent medical reasons to legalize things when the ultimate goal is to have them be fun. Like, I enjoy psilocybin and MDMA, but I'm going to upvote everything that claims it is good and I'm going to contribute my part to making it sound like the discovery of antibiotics. You know why? Anythi…

I think it's a global trend now. Social network turns what used to be noise into "millions of users are joining onto $website" and the hidden motives are obfuscated. Crypto, cannabis..

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Post by wavegeek »

serf wrote: post #29
xhevahir wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and the $MJ cannabis ETF is down 70% since its 2019 peak. What does this mean?

that an exchange-traded fund that is made up of cannabis-related companies has lost 70 percent of the value that it once had in 2019. as far as how that can be used as a soothsaying device, i'm not a trader. I presume it's to be considered related to the public's interest and consideration towards the growth of the particular industry.

Just how internet stocks fell 90% in 2000-2003, thus demonstrating the "Nobel" economist Paul Krugman's was right. His insight was that the internet was just a fad and would have no more impact than the fax machine.

I notice a number of smart investors are starting to accumulate cannibis stocks. The trigger might be a repeal of the federal ban, which seems to be on the cards, even though (sic) Joe Biden promised to do it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willyakowicz/2021/07/14/senator...

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by refurb »

Moto7451 wrote: post #58
refurb wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for the 90% reduction? It can only be given to teens so most people haven’t gotten Gardisil and if you already have HPV (most do) it doesn’t make it go away.

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/i... Under the “Preventing HPV” section. You can also be vaccinated as an adult. I’m half way through my series.

That’s not the same stat.

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Post by wavegeek »

bryans wrote: post #43
Bud wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that you really have to hunt for these deaths, and that even seemingly-rigorous medical studies on the question can only dig up a total of three cases, combined with the fact that hundreds of millions of people (at least) use cannabis very regularly, really tells you all you need to know. Cannabis use simply is not fatal, or even highly dangerous, under all normal conditions. Sure, yes, you can find a few 1…

I didn't have to "hunt" for anything -- I am a chronic sufferer of CHS and have almost died from it on a number of occasions. And the deaths I linked to are only a handful among many suspected ones, for an illness which is just starting to be properly investigated. ERs have been flooded with severe cases of CHS over the past two decades. It's not just three people dying in rare cases, it's potentially 2.75 million[1]…

> 155 met inclusion criteria as smoking 20 or more days per month.

That is insane.

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Post by FancyPete2 »

Most of these cancers seem to hit people aged 40-60, and I’m not sure from the article but I think they are saying if you have this cancer smoking weed might speed it’s growth, but not that it is a cause of the cancer in the first place. If that’s right I don’t get why this is being described as a crisis. Just suggest patients don’t smoke if they are diagnosed with this cancer.

Source for the age claim: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26066977/

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by agumonkey »

astura wrote: post #67
novok wrote: post #64

Is this related to smoking it or does it not matter if you eat or smoke it?

Exposure to THC is what matters >... researchers have identified the molecular mechanism activated by the presence of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)... in the bloodstream that accelerates cancer growth...

sigh, a lot of articles in the past mentionned the positive effects of cannabinoids on tumor growth (slower growth, no metastasis, also apoptosis trigger) so now it's a double edged sword.

Re: Marijuana accelerates growth of HPV-related head and neck cancer (2020)

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Post by Terry_Roll »

pmoriarty wrote: post #41

Though this study did not focus on other cancers, THC's adverse effect might not be limited to just HPV-related head and neck cancer. From the paper[1]: "Similar to CNR1, the cannabinoid receptor CNR2 was also found to be highly expressed and correlated with worse prognosis in tumors such as breast cancer (16), renal cancer (17), lung cancer (51), and HNSCC (21). In our study, the expression of CNR2 mRNA was upregula…

You might want to ask your medical expert about this.

Penicillin based anti biotics break down into penicillamine https://wikidiff.com/penicillin/penicillamine

"penicillamine treatment relies on its binding to accumulated copper and elimination through urine." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penicillamine

"Copper deficiency reduces interleukin-2 (IL-2) production and IL-2 mRNA in human T-lymphocytes" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9039825/

"In preclinical and early clinical studies, local application of IL-2 in the tumor has been shown to be clinical more effective in anticancer therapy than systemic IL-2 therapy, over a broad range of doses, without serious side effects." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interleukin_2#Medical_use

I'm left wondering if the medical experts should be telling us to consume copper supplements after being on a course of penicillin based antibiotics to reduce our risk of cancer!

IL-2 not only has a role in cancer treatment, but by regulating the white blood cells, how useful is this for old age problems like (rheumatoid) arthritis and other things like that?

Salt (sodium chloride) will increase some CD4 cells in a dose dependent manner to a point. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1541612 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30116758/

I know other chemicals vit K2-mk4 will reduce the inflammatory effect in RA (synovial cells), and RA may be the result of not enough of vit K2-mk4 which then increases demand for copper. K2-mk4 so far as I can tell is the only fat soluble vitamin which is stored in bone and also induces apoptosis in hepatocellular carcinoma, leukemia, and MDS cell lines. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18484089

This is just one pathway of many many in the body.

Medicine is a type of chemical programming/hacking.

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Post by vasco »

WalterGR wrote: post #65
refurb wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you don’t give your child access to western medicine but instead to crystals, the risk is pretty fuxking high .

Ah, okay, I didn’t realize that you meant using healing crystals instead of vaccines. I read it as: parents using healing crystals at all is as worrisome as not vaccinating their children.

It also is, children shouldn't be misled by their parents about scams like healing crystals because they will believe it as they are children. Later in life they might resort to crystals instead of getting medical attention.

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Post by sterlind »

renewiltord wrote: post #35
xqcgrek2 wrote: post #2

Cannabis seems like it isn't all its hyped up to be -- and the $MJ cannabis ETF is down 70% since its 2019 peak.

The only reason we permit a fun substance to be used is if we believe there is a medical reason. It is no surprise then that we invent medical reasons to legalize things when the ultimate goal is to have them be fun. Like, I enjoy psilocybin and MDMA, but I'm going to upvote everything that claims it is good and I'm going to contribute my part to making it sound like the discovery of antibiotics. You know why? Anythi…

I mean, legit medical use of weed is a real thing. helps with cancer nausea, some seizures, pain etc. doesn't work for me though - gives me panic attacks and keeps me from shutting out how badly my body has degenerated from this awful disorder.

but it works great for a lot of other folks. it just depends.

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