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TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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The title and article smells of China-bad-clickbait. There's no uncertainty here. Like in every other case, it goes to any company that is willing to purchase it. Overwhelmingly it will be American companies using it for direct marketing.

How can you say there's no uncertainty here. Do you work at TikTok or do you have information beyond the article to ground your claim?

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

#362

What kind of data? TikTok knows what content I interact to... on tiktok. That's it. Unless they have an android 0-day or something. It has no access to my mic, camera, browsing history, contacts list, or anything useful. Guess who has access to all that, if they want it, though? Google and Facebook (through whatsapp). What is the privacy concern here, exactly?

It’s a bit ignorant for you think that data is limited to “mic, camera, browsing history, contact list” etc. TikTok can harvest data on the type of content posted and what users interact with. Although it feels harmless, I’m sure there are troves of insights to be derived just from that.

> It’s a bit ignorant for you

A bit rude but ok

> TikTok can harvest data on the type of content posted and what users interact with

That's exactly what I said, and I think this is expected by the users and does not worry me.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

#363
Nobody knows where any of their data goes and few people care. Tiktok is currently better at Algorithms than other SM, go figure. Some people hate Tiktok because they’ve never used it and incorrectly think it’s all dancing 14 year olds; others simply hate China because despite having a market economy its government has a little more power than in the West, which allows China to sometimes act outside the myopic lens of market logic when necessary (blasphemy) while reaping the market’s gains.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

#364

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The assertion was: > watch every conversation happening in real time. Even with 2 million people, you can’t follow even a fraction of the conversations of 1000x the population without automation doing most of the heavy lifting.

Peng Shuai was a recent censorship failure that has cost the party face globally. You only has to shut down the major channels. Over 22,000 influencers were openly censored last year. Even in the past week, several Olympics-related hashtags have been blocked on Weibo. You can control the conversation even with just one person. https://scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3159947/chinas-internet... WeChat censors live, and au…

well I'm not sure whether the goal is to "save the party's face". To be honest it could be anybody, any hot issues of celeb big or small or could even be nobody can ignite some kind of sentiment, just like anywhere else. The difference is that domestically although censored, the social issues were sometimes genuinely flagged / monitored and led to change for better polices, in a sort of top down / authoritarian way, which to be honest surprises me.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

#365

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Evidence? If I did not use their services and had some friends work at Alibaba, I would trust you.

Anonymous HN commenter proves their point by saying "I have friends who know better". Everyone immediately agreed (not).

> edit: but you know what. Since you want evidence I'll give you some. The entire Alibaba debacle where the CEO was forced into hiding because he dared to contradict the Chinese political elite is my evidence that the Chinese government has implicit control over every business based out of China.

So you think his words are much better than "I have friends"? You can find all Alibaba sites are still running. Alibaba Cloud is still providing services. You can also contact to sales and support. Then you still want to believe "entire Alibaba debacle".

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

#366

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Just less than you

And what am I being paid for? I’m not the one promoting a dictatorship. I’m consistent with my anti-dictatorship message.

I just shared the information based my real life. I live in China and had some business with Alibaba, even though I don't like the company. I did not say anything about politics or dictatorship, I just shared the fact that Alibaba is still running well. If you think whatever you don't believe is just fake, then you would better go back to watch your CNN. So who is brainwashed?

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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How could they tell you were on that subreddit? Presumably you were doing it from a separate browser on the phone -- can they really snoop on behavior in completely separate apps?

Indeed they shouldn't be able to know that without deliberately bypassing the phone's security features using vulnerabilities. Maybe confirmation bias is at play here?

I guess it could be the same IPv6 address, or IPv4 + user agent matching with a third party ad categorization service.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

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post #284

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I think they use the SIM card country ID and also the ad audience categories to suggest content. For example swapping the SIM card with a fresh installation of TikTok shows different "local" videos. Even if the public IP address is unchanged like when using WiFi instead of Data. I've also think they use ad categories to suggest videos. Using a fresh TikTok installation and then spending some time navigating a subredd…

How could they tell you were on that subreddit? Presumably you were doing it from a separate browser on the phone -- can they really snoop on behavior in completely separate apps?

> How could they tell you were on that subreddit? Presumably you were doing it from a separate browser on the phone -- can they really snoop on behavior in completely separate apps?

The subreddit was opened in an incognito window, and the native app on the same phone.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

#369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what am I being paid for? I’m not the one promoting a dictatorship. I’m consistent with my anti-dictatorship message.

I just shared the information based my real life. I live in China and had some business with Alibaba, even though I don't like the company. I did not say anything about politics or dictatorship, I just shared the fact that Alibaba is still running well. If you think whatever you don't believe is just fake, then you would better go back to watch your CNN. So who is brainwashed?

You live in China, clearly are enamores with it, and yet you’re completely unbiased. Right.

Also nice CNN name drop, you clearly know me very well.

Re: TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s unclear where it goes

#370

It's not unclear at all. It's Chinese data harvesting software. They'll do token public appeasement to avoid negative pressure, but every feature in the app is designed to collect biometrics and behavioral data. China is not a good faith operator. Given the data needed to influence public opinion and voting, they will engage in manipulation favorable to their interests. That alone is sufficient to run tiktok at a los…

Please don't take HN threads into tedious nationalistic or ideological flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You started a doozy here—exactly what we don't need.

No, that's not a defense of "China" (whatever that's supposed to mean in internet comments). It's just a defense of HN for its intended mandate, which is curious conversation. Flamewar talking points are incompatible with that.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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