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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by puffoflogic »

dgudkov wrote: post #351
mikevm wrote: post #200

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Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?

Why is this downvoted? It's technically correct and supported by studies (look it up). Vaccinated people can and do get and transmit the virus. Frequently without even realizing it. It doesn't mean vaccination isn't required as it's proven to significantly reduce mortality especially among the older population.

People are downvoting this because something like 2-4 weeks ago The Science said this was disinformation. It takes time for the reverse in course to propagate.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by nradov »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Professional triathlete Lucy Charles-Barclay had Covid in November 2020 and then won the Ironman 70.3 world championship 10 months later. Everyone is different.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by nradov »

yay_throw wrote: post #281
laurent92 wrote: post #98

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Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

All of the replies to this completely ignore those of us who have families, and especially young families. Good for you if the sudden removal of responsibilities gave you the freedom to get outside for long periods every day. However, frankly people like this were the main reason I had to quit Strava. While my wife and I struggled to hold our lives and jobs together when it became illegal to have anyone else look aft…

Hopefully people have had their eyes opened about the dangers of allowing too much government control over our lives.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by myko »

foolinaround wrote: post #413
myko wrote: post #382

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> The injections have most likely injured or killed hundreds of thousands of people just in the US, never mind the entire world. But the stats have been carefully rigged by policy since the beginning. This is false, please stop posting false information.

Please help correct it for the record. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and experts need to debate each other openly, and be willing to be shown as wrong. Hard in real life, I guess.

Please read about the burden of proof:

https://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_re...

There is no evidence supporting the claims about vaccines killing people. Please show evidence if you would like to push that point of view.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by vngzs »

kypro wrote: post #324
madballster wrote: post #270

Many of the "Covid-19 increases risk of XYZ" popular media articles lack baseline comparisons to other virus infections. (Disclaimer: Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly.) My point is: how much does heart-disease risk increase post-Covid compared to say post-Influenza? Is it comparable or is the risk magnitudes larger than with other virus infections? This is an important benchmark, I understand…

> Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly. This isn't a true statement. It depends on the age group. Flu is far more deadly to young children whereas COVID rarely even results in a cold in younger children. But to your point, basically any infection that causes systemic inflammation can increase heart disease risk. Even the common cold is dangerous for people at high risk of heart disease.

The CDC reports 16.3 flu/pneumonia deaths per 100,000 [0]. That's 0.0163 percent.

Johns Hopkins University reports covid-19 has 278.89 deaths per 100,000 - a 1.2% mortality rate in the US [1].

That would put covid-19 at 278.89/16.3 = ~17 times more deadly than the flu. Just because the numbers don't hold for a particular age group doesn't make the aggregate statement false. In fact, it would be misleading to categorize "17 times more deadly" as anything other than "more deadly."

Edit: I made a mistake dividing the percentages the first go around, reporting covid-19 as 73 times more deadly than influenza. I have updated the 3rd paragraph to show the calculations directly.

[0]: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm

[1]: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by nradov »

dtech wrote: post #314
cedivad wrote: post #293

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50% and lower rate (the hk children myocarditis study) isn't a "much lower rate". Factor in omnicron and the clear difference between vaccinating everyone and 10% of society getting the virus and unsolvable questions should begin to arise.

99%+ eventually getting infected is more likely. Multiple countries already have confirmed infections over 10%.

The CDC estimated that about 44% of Americans had been infected as of October 2021. We're probably well over 50% now due to the Omicron wave.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by nradov »

native_samples wrote: post #383
dtech wrote: post #314

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99%+ eventually getting infected is more likely. Multiple countries already have confirmed infections over 10%.

But that's just an assumption. Many people seem to have pre-existing immunity. A study was done in which unvaccinated, non previously infected volunteers actually lay down in bed for a while with SARS-CoV-2 infected liquid in their noses (eww). So they were unequivocally exposed to a massive dose but only about half got COVID. There is no explanation for this within the bounds of the assumptions made by authorities.…

Some level of pre-existing immunity due to prior exposure to other similar coronaviruses is possible but hasn't been confirmed.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(21)00571-3/ful...

Many patients who are exposed to SARS-CoV-2 quickly fight off the infection with an innate immune response before the adaptive immune response really engages. That can happen with no pre-existing immunity. Some people just have better immune systems.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by slim109ya »

nradov wrote: post #452
kodah wrote: post #84

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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Professional triathlete Lucy Charles-Barclay had Covid in November 2020 and then won the Ironman 70.3 world championship 10 months later. Everyone is different.

Absolutely true. I only have weird smells sometimes, while my wife still suffers loss of appetite and a reduction of energy levels. It's been 6 months since we recovered.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by nradov »

vngzs wrote: post #455
kypro wrote: post #324

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> Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly. This isn't a true statement. It depends on the age group. Flu is far more deadly to young children whereas COVID rarely even results in a cold in younger children. But to your point, basically any infection that causes systemic inflammation can increase heart disease risk. Even the common cold is dangerous for people at high risk of heart disease.

The CDC reports 16.3 flu/pneumonia deaths per 100,000 [0]. That's 0.0163 percent. Johns Hopkins University reports covid-19 has 278.89 deaths per 100,000 - a 1.2% mortality rate in the US [1]. That would put covid-19 at 278.89/16.3 = ~17 times more deadly than the flu. Just because the numbers don't hold for a particular age group doesn't make the aggregate statement false. In fact, it would be misleading to categori…

That is misinformation. The actual COVID-19 infection fatality rate calculated by the CDC is 0.6%, not 1.2%.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by ok_dad »

nradov wrote: post #459
vngzs wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CDC reports 16.3 flu/pneumonia deaths per 100,000 [0]. That's 0.0163 percent. Johns Hopkins University reports covid-19 has 278.89 deaths per 100,000 - a 1.2% mortality rate in the US [1]. That would put covid-19 at 278.89/16.3 = ~17 times more deadly than the flu. Just because the numbers don't hold for a particular age group doesn't make the aggregate statement false. In fact, it would be misleading to categori…

That is misinformation. The actual COVID-19 infection fatality rate calculated by the CDC is 0.6%, not 1.2%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

So only ~36x more deadly!
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