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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

tim333 wrote: post #344
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #167

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Omicron is not unstoppable. See mainland China. See Taiwan.

China has now had lockdowns in about half a dozen cities where omicron has been detected. It seems more slowed down than stopped.

First, a "half dozen cities" is nothing in China. Currently, the largest city under lockdown is an out-of-the-way city near the border with Vietnam that almost nobody outside of China has even heard of (I'd wager most people in China aren't even familiar with the city): Baise (百色市). All the major cities are open.

Secondly, if you follow the different outbreaks in detail, you see that the Omicron outbreaks are not just being slowed, but completely extinguished. The outbreaks in Tianjin and Beijing look like they're over.

There will continue to be small, isolated outbreaks that occur when the virus slips through the border quarantine measures. However, China has showed that it is perfectly capable of extinguishing these small outbreaks one-by-one.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by foolinaround »

myko wrote: post #382
WaxedChewbacca wrote: post #252

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> The injections have most likely injured or killed hundreds of thousands of people just in the US, never mind the entire world. But the stats have been carefully rigged by policy since the beginning. This is false, please stop posting false information.

Please help correct it for the record.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and experts need to debate each other openly, and be willing to be shown as wrong.

Hard in real life, I guess.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by drclau »

nvilcins wrote: post #389
scotty79 wrote: post #283

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It's best to remeber that even if covid was in all aspects identical to flu, it will not replace flu. We'll have covid and flu. So even in the best case scenario (which isn't real) we are facing doubling of dmg from seasonal flu.

Given that different variants of the same virus outcompete each other (very evident with Covid), why would that not apply to different viruses of similar nature? SARS-CoV2 and Influenza both effectively compete for the same vulnerable population, and abide similar epidemiological dynamics. There is also some level of cross-immunity for corona viruses.

Influenza is not a coronavirus. There is no cross-immunity.

My guess is that the reason why we've seen a drop in cases of Flu during the Covid pandemic is strictly related to lockdowns and Flu being less infectious than Covid. In other words, the lockdowns were very effective against Flu.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by cmsonger »

laurent92 wrote: post #98
kodah wrote: post #84

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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

Count me with the "more healthy" crowd. Work from home has made it much easier to keep a healthy lifestyle. Eating at home with food I cook. No time commuting to work. No temptation to go out to some restaurant for tasty, but horrible for me, food and a couple of cocktails.

I have a good deal of empathy for those who don't get to work from home, but I'm the opposite of "healthy habits got worse."

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by longitudinal93 »

agumonkey wrote: post #194
kodah wrote: post #84

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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Adding to this, I'm not sure I had COVID, but 1) I had cardiac troubles before the pandemic, 2) did many months of bike to gain back some average cardiovascular health 3) I got vaccinated in Jan, and now my heart is doing different things (less fatigue but more and larger skipped beats). It's hard to know what's causing what now. I assume a lot of people are in the same case.

Similar to me. I am (was?) a healthy mid-fifties life-long cyclist and the first dose (Moderna) caused 10+% PVCs that I'm now on beta blockers to try and manage. Both my doctor and now cardiologist have advised me against receiving the second shot.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by raxxorrax »

Alex3917 wrote: post #409
raxxorrax wrote: post #404

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Obviously, but you need people to be not vaccinated. But it still is the only way to sensibly differentiate effects of Covid and the vaccine itself if the spike protein causes damage. I don't believe that we empirically know the positives either and it is the only way to reliably test. There is no alternative to this and it should have been done before any mandates came up in my opinion.

> I don't believe that we empirically know the positives either and it is the only way to reliably test. There are already studies comparing the mortality risk of those who got the vaccines against those who didn't, among only people who didn't get COVID. If you're worried about the vaccines, just take them 8 weeks apart instead of 3, and/or take an ACE inhibitor first to up-regulate your ACE2 receptors.

I have already takes 3 doses. These studies are insufficient and have to be conducted long term. It is about isolating the effects of the components. I don't think it is disputed that the vaccines did not have the expected safety profile. Further research will give us a clearer answers.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by loudmax »

nvilcins wrote: post #389
scotty79 wrote: post #283

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It's best to remeber that even if covid was in all aspects identical to flu, it will not replace flu. We'll have covid and flu. So even in the best case scenario (which isn't real) we are facing doubling of dmg from seasonal flu.

Given that different variants of the same virus outcompete each other (very evident with Covid), why would that not apply to different viruses of similar nature? SARS-CoV2 and Influenza both effectively compete for the same vulnerable population, and abide similar epidemiological dynamics. There is also some level of cross-immunity for corona viruses.

Different strains of Covid compete with each other because antibodies that block one version are very effective at blocking another. If you've recently had Omicron, your body is well prepared to fight off Delta.

If you've already had the flu, your body might have some level of preparedness against a Covid variant, but it's nowhere near the same level. Plenty of people who died from Covid had already experienced the flu at some point in their life. Covid variants compete with each other far more than they do with flu variants.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by anders_p »

nvilcins wrote: post #389
scotty79 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's best to remeber that even if covid was in all aspects identical to flu, it will not replace flu. We'll have covid and flu. So even in the best case scenario (which isn't real) we are facing doubling of dmg from seasonal flu.

Given that different variants of the same virus outcompete each other (very evident with Covid), why would that not apply to different viruses of similar nature? SARS-CoV2 and Influenza both effectively compete for the same vulnerable population, and abide similar epidemiological dynamics. There is also some level of cross-immunity for corona viruses.

Covid is caused by a "corona virus".

The Flu is caused by the "influenza virus".

So even though they are both contagious respiratory illnesses, they are caused by completely different viruses.

The reason we've seen far fewer influenza cases these past 2 years isn't related to the 2 viruses out competing eachother.

It's much more likely that the pandemic measures we've had in place, over most of the world, like social distancing, mask wearing, lockdowns, closed borders, etc., has had a greater impact on the flu, because it isn't as contagious as covid.

When we remove the pandemic measures, we're probably going to see the usual flu numbers again.

Maybe even worse than normal, for the first couple of seasons. Since we haven't been as exposed to the flu for 2 years.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by notahacker »

magicalist wrote: post #372
WaxedChewbacca wrote: post #252

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The PCR test will not detect the vaccine, so all we have to accept here is hundreds of thousands of faked PCR results. Why stop there? Maybe no one has died of anything but the vaccine since the start of 2021? We can't possibly know since apparently the medical fraud is omnipresent.

According to Steve Kirsch the medical fraud is so omnipresent even the researchers he directly funded were guilty of it because their data stubbornly disagreed with him about the cures he wanted to find!
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