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Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Pffft. Signal is proprietary? it is on https://Github.com/SignalApp and i’ve got my own variant of Signal server and client running. and runs on not only mobile but Linux too.

Out of curiosity why do you run your own Signal server when there is no federation?

a study of Signal protocols.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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I absolutely don't recommend using Telegram for sensitive communications. That said, this idea > I'd probably even trust FB's unencrypted messenger content to be better protected than telegram. is ridiculous. With Facebook you know you will be datamined and the result sold to anyone who wants to buy.. With Telegram maybe Putin reads it, maybe not. One of them is a threat to my family and friends, the other is not.

Telegram, specifically P. Durov has literally sponsored Russian dissidents. He refused to give over info when he still ran VK over to the FSB instead sending them literally memes. When Telegram was banned in Russia, he spun up free proxies for people to bypass the restrictions. In short - you’re posting misinformation.

From this article it sounds like he probably did give info over to the FSB when running VK after he got spooked. Though at least it does sound like after that he made changes to get out of the country so he could be more independent.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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To respond to your first point, I mean there are more articles mentioning members of congress than there are members of congress. Or more articles mentioning Taylor Swift than there are Taylor Swifts. Not sure how quantity of articles is a unit of measurement here.

True, but the Congress has enormous power and Taylor Swift is at least creative enough to merit some attention.

And the KKK has caused harm to thousands of people, I would say that merits some attention.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Telegram, specifically P. Durov has literally sponsored Russian dissidents. He refused to give over info when he still ran VK over to the FSB instead sending them literally memes. When Telegram was banned in Russia, he spun up free proxies for people to bypass the restrictions. In short - you’re posting misinformation.

From this article it sounds like he probably did give info over to the FSB when running VK after he got spooked. Though at least it does sound like after that he made changes to get out of the country so he could be more independent.

VK =/= Telegram. At this point the FSB has free reign on key requests from VK — it’s owned in majority by Usmanov, who has strong connections to the Kremlin. But in the article it says that he made that clear in his remarks as well when he was ousted.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Telegram, specifically P. Durov has literally sponsored Russian dissidents. He refused to give over info when he still ran VK over to the FSB instead sending them literally memes. When Telegram was banned in Russia, he spun up free proxies for people to bypass the restrictions. In short - you’re posting misinformation.

That is not intentional. My point is not that Durov sends data to Putin (I don't think he does). My point is that there is a lot we don't know about Telegram. When it comes to WhatsApp and all other Facebook properties we know a lot and much of what we know is ugly. But yes, I should find a better way to phrase it.

What a civilized response. I don’t know if this is the norm on HN, but this is incredibly constructive compared to the reddit or twitter doubling down for any stance. Cheers.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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From this article it sounds like he probably did give info over to the FSB when running VK after he got spooked. Though at least it does sound like after that he made changes to get out of the country so he could be more independent.

VK =/= Telegram. At this point the FSB has free reign on key requests from VK — it’s owned in majority by Usmanov, who has strong connections to the Kremlin. But in the article it says that he made that clear in his remarks as well when he was ousted.

Yeah I know VK != Telegram, but in the article when he was running VK it sounded like he got scared and handed over a lot of personal user details to the government.

It also sounded like with Telegram there was some abuse of looking up or deleting other employees chats when threatened. The culture of the company doesn’t seem great.

All of this is kind of irrelevant though. The core issue is unencrypted chats.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Read the article - "Whether this is a good thing for the world is another question, one muddied by how poorly understood Telegram is, especially in the US. The vast majority of journalists still refer to it as an “encrypted messaging app.” This description unnerves many security experts, who warn that, unlike Signal or WhatsApp, Telegram is not end-to-end encrypted by default; that users must go out of their way to t…

> what ultimately matters is how people actually use it, and that is probably in an unencrypted manner I've heard criticisms about Telegram's MTProto encryption on HN, but in my usage of Telegram nobody has ever turned on the secret chats mode enabling it anyway. Anyone privacy-conscious asks me to use Signal, Matrix, or even Threema. I have heard compliments about Telegram sticker packs though, if the other apps wan…

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