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Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by fennecfoxen »

dijit wrote: post #3

"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

> If telegram was weak: Jan 6th and Jihadi terrorists wouldn't use it.

The Jan 6 dudes ("terrorists" and/or otherwise) put their ugly mugs all over Facebook, Twitter, Parler, and the public Internet. I wouldn't exactly take opsec advice from that lot.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by countvonbalzac »

dijit wrote: post #3

"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

Read the article - "Whether this is a good thing for the world is another question, one muddied by how poorly understood Telegram is, especially in the US. The vast majority of journalists still refer to it as an “encrypted messaging app.” This description unnerves many security experts, who warn that, unlike Signal or WhatsApp, Telegram is not end-to-end encrypted by default; that users must go out of their way to turn on the app's “secret chats” function (which few people actually do); and that only individual conversations, not those among groups, can be end-to-end encrypted. For the millions of people who use Telegram under repressive regimes, experts say, that confusion could be costly."

Even if you make the argument that telegram CAN be encrypted (only in 1-1 chats) what ultimately matters is how people actually use it, and that is probably in an unencrypted manner.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by 8note »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #11
dijit wrote: post #3

"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

> If telegram was weak: Jan 6th and Jihadi terrorists wouldn't use it. The Jan 6 dudes ("terrorists" and/or otherwise) put their ugly mugs all over Facebook, Twitter, Parler, and the public Internet. I wouldn't exactly take opsec advice from that lot.

Some Jan 6 folks did. Presumably not all of them did

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by charlieyu1 »

dijit wrote: post #3

"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

Telegram boardcasting phone number lead to arrest of Hong Kong protestors in 2019. I know it is fixed now, but a couple of years and a lot of people jailed too late.

Most people I know would rather use Signal now.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by nirui »

dijit wrote: post #3

"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

Let's be fair, Jihadi terrorists probably don't know which platform is actually secure for their terrorist operation (none of them is, actually). They could've used WeChat if they were able to register an account for themselves. It's simply not a good metric.

It's the same reason why you don't want to measure someones kindness by comparing it with Adolf Hitler. "Oh I have such good neighbor, he is the completely opposite of Adolf Hitler", it just don't compare very well.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by bmarquez »

countvonbalzac wrote: post #12
dijit wrote: post #3

"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

Read the article - "Whether this is a good thing for the world is another question, one muddied by how poorly understood Telegram is, especially in the US. The vast majority of journalists still refer to it as an “encrypted messaging app.” This description unnerves many security experts, who warn that, unlike Signal or WhatsApp, Telegram is not end-to-end encrypted by default; that users must go out of their way to t…

> what ultimately matters is how people actually use it, and that is probably in an unencrypted manner

I've heard criticisms about Telegram's MTProto encryption on HN, but in my usage of Telegram nobody has ever turned on the secret chats mode enabling it anyway. Anyone privacy-conscious asks me to use Signal, Matrix, or even Threema.

I have heard compliments about Telegram sticker packs though, if the other apps want more users they could consider making "cute stickers" :)

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by dane-pgp »

EGreg wrote: post #7
dijit wrote: post #3

"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

Telegram and Signal are the best we have out of CENTRALIZED solutions. Both are founded by anarchists who like end-to-end encryption and user empowerment. One accuses the other of being less secure and easily backdoored by governments… but the actual problem is — they are both centralized. We don’t even need to resort to conspiracy theories — all Germany would have to do to ban Telegram is make Apple take it out of i…

A shorter (and less Web 3-focused) response to Marlinspike's claims in ‘The ecosystem is moving’ is this post by Daniel Gultsch, the maintainer of the "Conversations" XMPP client:

https://gultsch.de/objection.html

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

paulpauper wrote: post #8

telegram is way overrated. too hard to create an account, takes up too much memory, accounts do get closed for automated/arbitrary reasons. not at all like described in the article .

its the best msging app. the features are wonderful and their art style and ux is fabulous.
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