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An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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Android users are still vulnerable, and these announcements do nothing to reduce that. All a stalker needs to do, is remove the speaker. To detect a rogue AirTag, an Android owner needs to: 1) know AirTags exist (many obviously don't) 2) go out of their way to install Apple's Android AirTag scanner app (only 100k-500k worldwide have done so according to Google Play stats) 3) manually open the scanner app and scan, si…

AirTags are pretty incredible for finding lost pets.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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post #172

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Oh so this is really only useful for tracking stolen items if whoever steals it doesn't have an iPhone or an Android with their app on it, I never realized that.

The AirTags are explicitly designed to track lost items, not stolen items.

This being the case, I don't understand why they need more than "this is where you were the last time your phone was near the tag"?

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#474

Android users are still vulnerable, and these announcements do nothing to reduce that. All a stalker needs to do, is remove the speaker. To detect a rogue AirTag, an Android owner needs to: 1) know AirTags exist (many obviously don't) 2) go out of their way to install Apple's Android AirTag scanner app (only 100k-500k worldwide have done so according to Google Play stats) 3) manually open the scanner app and scan, si…

Apple's "Tracker Detect" Android app wants full network access and precise foreground location permissions. They expect me to consent to having my physical location tracked by Apple in order to avoid having my physical location tracked by someone other than Apple. Unbelievable.

Android requires Location permissions to scan for Bluetooth devices because if you can scan for Bluetooth you can sometimes get the user's location from various online databases, so the permissions would be functionally identical if they were sperate anyway.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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post #435

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> I feel like this is ignoring the fact that if any company other than Apple made these trackers, it wouldn't do this with anyone's phones. Right, and Apple have provided everything that AOSP would need to implement this, someone even made their own version of the entire Find My client long ago ( https://github.com/seemoo-lab/openhaystack ), so technically AOSP could even integrate using Find My, although I imagine A…

I wonder if Apple one day decides to put AirTags into iPhones and other iDevices - or if other vendors follow suit. Basically, that would eliminate phone theft since even shutting the phone off or, for those phones that still have replaceable batteries, removing said battery would still be discoverable.

Phones will still be stolen for spare parts. I don't see how that ever stops being a thing.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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post #475

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I wonder if Apple one day decides to put AirTags into iPhones and other iDevices - or if other vendors follow suit. Basically, that would eliminate phone theft since even shutting the phone off or, for those phones that still have replaceable batteries, removing said battery would still be discoverable.

Phones will still be stolen for spare parts. I don't see how that ever stops being a thing.

Yes, but they will now leave a breadcrumb location trail that can be followed up by the authorities, unless thieves become smart enough to disable the embedded AirTag while still on the road - and if that becomes hard enough to be infeasible, theft will become too risky.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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Airtags were never supposed to be used to track stolen things, but to retrieve lost things. People complaining about airtags being nerfed were misusing them in the first place

Surely you can see how that would be a poor design choice. It's quite a common use case for tracking devices like the AirTag.

You can use a fork as a spoon but you don't get to complain about how bad it performs. Nowhere in Apple's marketing is the airtag advertised as a device to track stolen things

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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post #318

Android users are still vulnerable, and these announcements do nothing to reduce that. All a stalker needs to do, is remove the speaker. To detect a rogue AirTag, an Android owner needs to: 1) know AirTags exist (many obviously don't) 2) go out of their way to install Apple's Android AirTag scanner app (only 100k-500k worldwide have done so according to Google Play stats) 3) manually open the scanner app and scan, si…

Like sibling post mentioned, you don't seem to be the target audience. I know a lot of people, friends and family, who constantly leave stuff behind, in restaurants, other people's places, on the train, in shops, you name it. 99% of the time, no one's gonna steal it, but trying to figure out where the hell you left something, if you do leave stuff behind often, becomes increasingly difficult. With something like an A…

> you don't seem to be the target audience

You are missing the point.

They are not the target audience, but they are affected negatively by it regardless. It's for Apple users at the expense of everyone else.

The criticism is not about the individual utility of airtags, it's about how it creates a privacy issue for everyone who is not an Apple user.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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post #435

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> I feel like this is ignoring the fact that if any company other than Apple made these trackers, it wouldn't do this with anyone's phones. Right, and Apple have provided everything that AOSP would need to implement this, someone even made their own version of the entire Find My client long ago ( https://github.com/seemoo-lab/openhaystack ), so technically AOSP could even integrate using Find My, although I imagine A…

I wonder if Apple one day decides to put AirTags into iPhones and other iDevices - or if other vendors follow suit. Basically, that would eliminate phone theft since even shutting the phone off or, for those phones that still have replaceable batteries, removing said battery would still be discoverable.

iPhones can already be tracked after power off via the Find Me network. But as far as I know removing the internal battery would still stop it. More importantly, so would a Farady cage.

Stolen iPhones should already be parts only because of activation lock.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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post #96

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Interesting. Just one data point, but my wife and I both have airtags on our keys. When I drive her car (and she's not in it), I get a notification about her keys traveling with me. We're on the same iCloud "family" account. I wonder if there’s something else that needs to happen?

When you go into "Find My", can you see your wife's devices and keys?

I see all her other devices, but not keys. Now that I know how it should work, going to see if re-registering the keys changes things.
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