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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by RickJWagner »

ralferoo wrote: post #175
laurent92 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

I experienced the opposite effect described here, and I ascribe the positive effects to lockdown. Before COVID, I ran about 5km once a month, and I was pretty slow. I got COVID early on in February 2020, and while it initially seemed mild, the tail end was severe. Pain that made me worry I might have been having a mini-stroke, and after that lung issues making it painful to take a shallow breath. After a week or so,…

"knocked a third off my 5km PB..."

Wow. Congratulations, that's got to feel good.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by myko »

WaxedChewbacca wrote: post #252
vegai_ wrote: post #161

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The vaccine never (< 0.05%) causes hospitalization, so it never causes serious damage to the cardiovascular system.

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> The injections have most likely injured or killed hundreds of thousands of people just in the US, never mind the entire world. But the stats have been carefully rigged by policy since the beginning.

This is false, please stop posting false information.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by native_samples »

dtech wrote: post #314
cedivad wrote: post #293

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50% and lower rate (the hk children myocarditis study) isn't a "much lower rate". Factor in omnicron and the clear difference between vaccinating everyone and 10% of society getting the virus and unsolvable questions should begin to arise.

99%+ eventually getting infected is more likely. Multiple countries already have confirmed infections over 10%.

But that's just an assumption. Many people seem to have pre-existing immunity. A study was done in which unvaccinated, non previously infected volunteers actually lay down in bed for a while with SARS-CoV-2 infected liquid in their noses (eww). So they were unequivocally exposed to a massive dose but only about half got COVID. There is no explanation for this within the bounds of the assumptions made by authorities.

In reality, even if you get Omicron now it's so mild it's unlikely to cause any more heart damage than any other common cold. The danger has passed. Except that, almost everyone decided to massively expose themselves to spike protein over and over. So if spikes cause heart damage and they do, especially when the vaccine gets into the bloodstream, then the vaccines will do more damage than the virus could ever do simply because nobody has pre-existing immunity to it.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by fer »

bigodbiel wrote: post #273
fer wrote: post #13

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Who is this person/organisation that made every authority agree with each other for the first time in history?

Why first time in history? Iraqi WMD? From Fox to NYT, all supported the invasion. Steele Dossier? All major media outlets (except Fox and OANN) supported its claims and took Russiagate as fact.

> Iraqi WMD

The literal Secretary-General of the UN said it was illegal[0], along with dozens of countries. You can't get more high profile disagreement than that, especially considering the rationale of the US was to enforce UN SCR 1441.

> Steele Dossier?

Sorry, not familiar with US politics.

[0] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by [deleted] »

dijit wrote: post #150
uptownfunk wrote: post #106

This comment will probably get flagged, but I am genuinely curious from a scientific lens. What is the distribution of post-COVID heart disease conditional on having taken the vaccine?

This is actually the best reason to have people remain unvaccinated, and to not strictly mandate vaccines. I'm pro-vax (god, why do I have to say that?) but what's seriously pissed me off about this whole COVID thing is how quickly it became political. At the beginning there was a real sense of "we're in this together" but now you can be pretty certain of someones political affiliation if they choose not to wear a ma…

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by nicklaf »

bregma wrote: post #350
edmcnulty101 wrote: post #341

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A year later means it's probably permanent. I don't think there's any tissue that takes longer than a year to regenerate.

Back in my 40s I broke my leg: a simple tib-fib fracture. Without any artificial fixation it took 3 years to recover. There's plenty of tissues in a human body that can take more than 1 year to fully regenerate.

> There's plenty of tissues in a human body that can take more than 1 year to fully regenerate.

Nerves, for instance[0].

[0] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/peripheral-ne...

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by croon »

dijit wrote: post #364
benbruscella wrote: post #316

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“Vaccines prevent you getting the worst of the illness”, on other words, a treatment…

I think this offhand and flippant, even if I personally believe what you're saying is true. The largest issue with COVID was the over saturation of healthcare facilities, that's the only reason the UK locked down at all . Oversaturated healthcare is a problem for people who have the worst effects of COVID and people who otherwise need beds, since their bed may be taken up by a person with COVID. Vaccines lowering the…

I agree, and we've always had an anti-vax minority, in every country. The problem with covid wasn't primarily what you describe though, but that that anti-vax sentiment exploded enough that healthcare everywhere choked more than it should have. Then stronger measures were needed as a response to that. Which is unfortunate in just the manner you describe.

There's always been "unconventional" (diplomatically) ideas, and that's great since some fraction of them do turn out correct. But with the last decade or two of ubiquitous social media use, the fringe ideas that aren't dangerous in 0.1% of people, are very dangerous if they reach 5 or 10%.

This is not a defense of authoritarianism on ideas, but merely describing the practical effects.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by native_samples »

dijit wrote: post #150
uptownfunk wrote: post #106

This comment will probably get flagged, but I am genuinely curious from a scientific lens. What is the distribution of post-COVID heart disease conditional on having taken the vaccine?

This is actually the best reason to have people remain unvaccinated, and to not strictly mandate vaccines. I'm pro-vax (god, why do I have to say that?) but what's seriously pissed me off about this whole COVID thing is how quickly it became political. At the beginning there was a real sense of "we're in this together" but now you can be pretty certain of someones political affiliation if they choose not to wear a ma…

now you can be pretty certain of someones political affiliation if they choose not to wear a mask

Arguably it's the other way around. Not wearing a mask (if voluntary) is the normal and natural choice, which should tell you nothing about a person at all. Choosing to wear one even when not required, on the other hand, tells you a lot about that person and their perception of risks/expert status etc.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by nvilcins »

scotty79 wrote: post #283
madballster wrote: post #270

Many of the "Covid-19 increases risk of XYZ" popular media articles lack baseline comparisons to other virus infections. (Disclaimer: Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly.) My point is: how much does heart-disease risk increase post-Covid compared to say post-Influenza? Is it comparable or is the risk magnitudes larger than with other virus infections? This is an important benchmark, I understand…

It's best to remeber that even if covid was in all aspects identical to flu, it will not replace flu. We'll have covid and flu. So even in the best case scenario (which isn't real) we are facing doubling of dmg from seasonal flu.

Given that different variants of the same virus outcompete each other (very evident with Covid), why would that not apply to different viruses of similar nature? SARS-CoV2 and Influenza both effectively compete for the same vulnerable population, and abide similar epidemiological dynamics. There is also some level of cross-immunity for corona viruses.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by darkerside »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

How old are you?
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