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Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #219
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fragility of the American exceptionalism. What if we don't want FAANGs in Europe? What if it's harder for FAANGs to develop in Europe because they can't be as aggressive and careless as american corps are? Personally I don't want Europe to allow huge monopolistic corps to take over our economy. Why would we want Google, the search engine that provides ads and spies on you instead of providing good results? Why wo…

I'm European.

Well I'm not really answering to you (as an individual/person), but to the concept you expressed, which is VERY american.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #217
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #215

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>I, as a European could not be happier about this, from a economic standpoint. Please, let me play you the world's smallest violin. This trope, constantly celebrating that $CURRENT_YEAR will finally be the year of EU tech dominance over US giants, has been on repeat ever since Snowden revealed that the NSA is in bed with every major US tech company and is actively spying on EU users. And that was all the way back in…

The fragility of the American exceptionalism. What if we don't want FAANGs in Europe? What if it's harder for FAANGs to develop in Europe because they can't be as aggressive and careless as american corps are? Personally I don't want Europe to allow huge monopolistic corps to take over our economy. Why would we want Google, the search engine that provides ads and spies on you instead of providing good results? Why wo…

> We don't want ....[x, y, z]

Then why are those US tech companies so successful in the EU with no viable local competitors, if nobody wants them?

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #222
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fragility of the American exceptionalism. What if we don't want FAANGs in Europe? What if it's harder for FAANGs to develop in Europe because they can't be as aggressive and careless as american corps are? Personally I don't want Europe to allow huge monopolistic corps to take over our economy. Why would we want Google, the search engine that provides ads and spies on you instead of providing good results? Why wo…

> We don't want ....[x, y, z] Then why are those US tech companies so successful in the EU with no viable local competitors, if nobody wants them?

Everybody loves drugs, nobody likes dealers

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #221
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm European.

Well I'm not really answering to you (as an individual/person), but to the concept you expressed, which is VERY american.

I didn't express my concept, I expressed the reality that US tech companies have universally conquered Europe. If the EU would have had the ability to compete in these sectors, then we would have done it already ever since we found out in 2013 that the US is spying on us, or way before that. But nothing changed since then. Almost every EU company and government institution is using Microsoft products and all consumers use Apple, Google or Windows. Where is this EU competition here?

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

alwillis wrote: post #115
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #55

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For example, by forcing Apple to remove the apps from the Appstore. (No sideloading is so great, Apple fanboys here say, no big deal, just do your research and buy another device. )

For example, by forcing Apple to remove the apps from the Appstore. Apple would fight this all the way to the Supreme Court. This is IMHO a clear violation of the 1st amendment. With such a conservative Supreme Court, I doubt they would look favorably at restricting speech of a company. Besides, Apple’s App Store is available in many countries around the world; an American iPhone user could get restricted apps from i…

I couldn't care less about Apple's restrictions on apps that are allowed in the App Store, and would uphold Apple's rights to do as they please, if they would stop abusing users' rights and allow running ANY app the user pleases on the device he bought, whether it is in Apple's App Store, Steam store or sideloaded directly.

This wrongful imposing of restrictions on users' freedom to run apps must be stricken down hard.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

zaarn wrote: post #220
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #219

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I'm European.

Doesn't make you immune to american exceptionalism.

I'm expressing the reality/facts that US BIG-tech has conquered Europe and we haven't had any viable competitors to them that can re-conquer our local market, despite knowing the privacy and surveillance implications of using US BIG-tech for years now.

If you wish to negate the facts and call me names in return, then its your issue.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #223
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We don't want ....[x, y, z] Then why are those US tech companies so successful in the EU with no viable local competitors, if nobody wants them?

Everybody loves drugs, nobody likes dealers

We can agree to associate social media with drugs, but Microsoft, Apple, AWS and Google are providing consumers with many products for which we have no equivalent competitors locally.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by nindalf »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #226
zaarn wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't make you immune to american exceptionalism.

I'm expressing the reality/facts that US BIG-tech has conquered Europe and we haven't had any viable competitors to them that can re-conquer our local market, despite knowing the privacy and surveillance implications of using US BIG-tech for years now. If you wish to negate the facts and call me names in return, then its your issue.

You’re tilting at windmills here. The several people you replied to appear to be in serious denial. Why break that?

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by [deleted] »

i5heu wrote: post #193

I guess this is the end of "sending customer data to the us". Quite impressive how fast the US-politics can burn billions in $, endanger the technological lead and build a massive opportunity for Europe! I, as a European could not be happier about this, from a economic standpoint. Hope you guys over there are not drifting to a surveillance dystopian.

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Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by jas- »

I have not read the details on the bill. However, a quick glance just reminds me of how counter productive and opposite of what our tax paid for research outlines as best practices for protecting data.

The NIST SP 800 series publications were paid for by our tax money and outline how encryption should be used for ALL. Not to mention sets standards for all of the intricacies that come with development, implementation and validation of strong algorithms for use in commerce, medical, federal, military and even GAH personal use.

https://www.nist.gov/cryptography

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