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Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by whoopdedo »

atlantas wrote: post #76
tehwebguy wrote: post #60

Incredible, once again the Senate is completely incapable of doing anything good but gets their shit together whenever it’s time to do something stupid and terrible. Would be better to just vote against the majority going forward, at least try to tie things up so they can do nothing instead of what they end up doing whenever they get around to doing something . Truly amazing how Chuck Schumer gets a pass in the media…

I don't understand why people keep voting them back in?? They've been useless for so long, yet people continue to check the box next to their name. Why?

Mainly because of the two-party system. The pre-selection of candidates forces you to choose between two evils and it most often becomes a matter of the devil you know versus the devil you don't know.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by upofadown »

judge2020 wrote: post #67
wmf wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HTTPS is not end-to-end encrypted (it kinda would be if we used P2P but we don't) so you can subpoena the server.

Your comment is only confusing because E2EE is a term about encryption where no data between two devices can be read by eavesdroppers. HTTPS is indeed end-to-end encrypted between the server and the device. A better way to put it is that HTTPS does not promote E2EE between end-users, which it doesn't intend/pretend to do anyways.

>E2EE is a term about encryption where no data between two devices can be read by eavesdroppers.

That would cover any use of encryption. E2EE is a term used where there is a distinction to be made between access by users at the ends of the system and some other part of the system. Originally used to cover the encrypted email case where there is a lot of "middle" in the form of email servers and a small amount of "end".

The term is often used incorrectly these days for marketing purposes. TLS could be used in an E2EE system, but it is normally not.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by rapnie »

i5heu wrote: post #193

I guess this is the end of "sending customer data to the us". Quite impressive how fast the US-politics can burn billions in $, endanger the technological lead and build a massive opportunity for Europe! I, as a European could not be happier about this, from a economic standpoint. Hope you guys over there are not drifting to a surveillance dystopian.

Then there's chatcontrol in the EU. Welcome to Europe.

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/members-of-the-european-par...

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Post by avh02 »

nomendos wrote: post #185
CameronNemo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal has threatened to exit the US market in the past, IIRC.

Signal would either have to go to China or Russia (where it would dance to their tune) or shut down or quietly comply. It would be "NoSignal" from this Act on.

because the only countries in existence are USA, China, and Russia.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

i5heu wrote: post #193

I guess this is the end of "sending customer data to the us". Quite impressive how fast the US-politics can burn billions in $, endanger the technological lead and build a massive opportunity for Europe! I, as a European could not be happier about this, from a economic standpoint. Hope you guys over there are not drifting to a surveillance dystopian.

>I, as a European could not be happier about this, from a economic standpoint.

Please, let me play you the world's smallest violin.

This trope, constantly celebrating that $CURRENT_YEAR will finally be the year of EU tech dominance over US giants, has been on repeat ever since Snowden revealed that the NSA is in bed with every major US tech company and is actively spying on EU users. And that was all the way back in 2013.

Sure, the Facebook empire is crumbling now, but since 2013, we still have no EU competitors for Google, Microsoft, Apple, AWS, etc. despite this knowledge that US tech companies have no regard for privacy and that the US government is using them to spy on us.

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #215
i5heu wrote: post #193

I guess this is the end of "sending customer data to the us". Quite impressive how fast the US-politics can burn billions in $, endanger the technological lead and build a massive opportunity for Europe! I, as a European could not be happier about this, from a economic standpoint. Hope you guys over there are not drifting to a surveillance dystopian.

>I, as a European could not be happier about this, from a economic standpoint. Please, let me play you the world's smallest violin. This trope, constantly celebrating that $CURRENT_YEAR will finally be the year of EU tech dominance over US giants, has been on repeat ever since Snowden revealed that the NSA is in bed with every major US tech company and is actively spying on EU users. And that was all the way back in…

The fragility of the American exceptionalism.

What if we don't want FAANGs in Europe? What if it's harder for FAANGs to develop in Europe because they can't be as aggressive and careless as american corps are?

Personally I don't want Europe to allow huge monopolistic corps to take over our economy.

Why would we want Google, the search engine that provides ads and spies on you instead of providing good results?

Why would we want Facebook/Meta, the ridicolously troubled corporation hated by pretty much everyone at this point?

Why would we want Amazon, famous for exploiting it's workforce, using old wild west methods against unions, exploiting its own sellers by copying their products and selling them for less?

Why would we want Microsoft and Apple and their cartel like attitudes, when we could have a different paradigm of software/hardware that goes to benefit everyone, instead of existing only as a competitive advantage to take over the market?

All of this companies will do anything in their power (lecit or not) to increase their market share and avoid paying taxes.

You can keep your silicon valleys and your oligocratic economy, thank you.

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Post by rascul »

i5heu wrote: post #193

I guess this is the end of "sending customer data to the us". Quite impressive how fast the US-politics can burn billions in $, endanger the technological lead and build a massive opportunity for Europe! I, as a European could not be happier about this, from a economic standpoint. Hope you guys over there are not drifting to a surveillance dystopian.

The bill hasn't passed yet. It went through a committee, but it has not passed in either the House or the Senate. There's still plenty of opportunity for this bill to get voted out.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/s3538

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #217
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I, as a European could not be happier about this, from a economic standpoint. Please, let me play you the world's smallest violin. This trope, constantly celebrating that $CURRENT_YEAR will finally be the year of EU tech dominance over US giants, has been on repeat ever since Snowden revealed that the NSA is in bed with every major US tech company and is actively spying on EU users. And that was all the way back in…

The fragility of the American exceptionalism. What if we don't want FAANGs in Europe? What if it's harder for FAANGs to develop in Europe because they can't be as aggressive and careless as american corps are? Personally I don't want Europe to allow huge monopolistic corps to take over our economy. Why would we want Google, the search engine that provides ads and spies on you instead of providing good results? Why wo…

I'm European.

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Post by zaarn »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #219
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fragility of the American exceptionalism. What if we don't want FAANGs in Europe? What if it's harder for FAANGs to develop in Europe because they can't be as aggressive and careless as american corps are? Personally I don't want Europe to allow huge monopolistic corps to take over our economy. Why would we want Google, the search engine that provides ads and spies on you instead of providing good results? Why wo…

I'm European.

Doesn't make you immune to american exceptionalism.
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