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Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

#201

The Achilles' heel of the internet is that it's controlled by the US.

Yeah let’s move it to Russia and China, that will make it more free

it's interesting every time something about the US being the US comes up, someone brings up China or Russia.

It's a knee jerk reaction at this point, but, in all honesty, China and Russia have 3 times the internet users US has (China is also building internet infrastructures in many African countries), that can't be easily discarded.

And for many of them the "american internet" is less free, more invasive and more dangerous than their own.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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post #166

Listen, we're going about this all wrong: "Hillary Clinton, Biden, Kamala and other Deep State actors want to use the EARN IT act to read your messages and check if your kids are vaccinated. Next year, if your children haven't had 5 boosters, CPS can take them and you could face jail time! FACT!" Anyone have MS paint and a few sockpuppet FB accounts? I'm only 20% kidding here. Edit: forgot to fit "globalists" in ther…

>Edit: forgot to fit "globalists" in there

Just need to add Bill Gates and George Soros to the list and you've got it covered.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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post #140

To test whether HN has become an echo chamber censoring any viewpoints they disagree with, I will share my actual viewpoint on end-to-end encryption. I have posted it elsewhere in the past: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25030085 First, my bona fides: I am a huge proponent of decentralization, empowering people and giving them control over their own data, relationships, and identity. I distrust large states and…

Thank you for posting your vision. It's so easy to just criticize. Divining and then advocating for a better world is really hard.

Pretty sure I agree with most of your points. Especially wrt EFF.org; after all these years, I still can't figure out what they want. It'd take me a (long) while to determine if I agree with your conclusions, because this is hard hard topic.

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I was also weened as an anarcho-libertarian. I've never forgiven the Clinton Admin for the Clipper chip. And it's been all down hill ever since.

But hot damn. There are seriously bad people in the world. How can I ignore real world evil and actual human suffering, just to maximize my own (perceived) well being?

I have friends who work on public safety policy like human trafficking. It's absolutely horrific. And I can barely acknowledge child pornography as a thing -- I mean what the actual fuck -- much less register how bad things are.

After decades of pondering this stuff, I still have no clue, no ideas on how to balance the needs of the few with the needs of the many.

However, any position which simply ignores the negative consequences of encryption technologies is not serious, and not worth further consideration.

FWIW, I've done work on both election integrity and electronic medical records. Individual privacy is precious to me, and a hill I was willing to die on.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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I guess this is the end of "sending customer data to the us". Quite impressive how fast the US-politics can burn billions in $, endanger the technological lead and build a massive opportunity for Europe! I, as a European could not be happier about this, from a economic standpoint. Hope you guys over there are not drifting to a surveillance dystopian.

I would say we have been since 9/11.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather the US than the PRC or Putin though. But I'd prefer the EU, imo.

Don't hold your breath. We have plenty of political forces here that don't like encrypted communication. SPD in Germany would gladly see Telegram be completely banned. They even brag about this in their own party-media: https://www.vorwaerts.de/artikel/innenpolitik-spd-gegen-tele...

> SPD in Germany would gladly see Telegram be completely banned.

> They even brag about this in their own party-media: https://www.vorwaerts.de/artikel/innenpolitik-spd-gegen-tele...

Nothing in this article supports that allegation.

And on the topic of encryption the new administration intents to strengthen it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29433262

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

#207

Sorry, can't hear anything, over the sound of hand-rubbing by Non-US tech companies looking forward to the ENORMEOUS competitive advantage they will be able to offer if this is actually implemented :D

The best move for the US based messaging companies (Signal, are there others?) would be to leave the United States.

Apple, Google, Facebook cannot leave.

Telegram has never been in the US.

Re: Key senators have voted for the anti-encryption EARN IT act

#209

Sorry, can't hear anything, over the sound of hand-rubbing by Non-US tech companies looking forward to the ENORMEOUS competitive advantage they will be able to offer if this is actually implemented :D

The best move for the US based messaging companies (Signal, are there others?) would be to leave the United States. Apple, Google, Facebook cannot leave. Telegram has never been in the US.

> Apple, Google, Facebook cannot leave.

Well, that's their problem.

I think we will see a lot of companies founded in the next decade ready to take over such services in the EU. China already has its local companies, and the rest of the world will not be far behind.

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