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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by csee »

raverbashing wrote: post #87
csee wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . What are you basing this on? There was a recent UK study (preprint, last I checked) of 40 million people that showed that the risk of myocarditis was definitively higher compared to Covid in the Moderna sample and higher (albeit statistically insignificant) in the Pfizer sampler for young men. > So indirectly getting vaccine will…

Exactly why, after this was found out, young people were vaccinated with Pfizer and not Moderna

The point is that it is misleading (or at least, premature) to say that myocarditis is more likely with the virus than with the vaccine, given that the context of this discussion is usually around young men and there is recent data that suggests the opposite for this cohort under Moderna (and perhaps Pfizer).

Also, what you say is not the case in every country. Many countries are jabbing young men with Moderna.

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Post by baal80spam »

draugadrotten wrote: post #73
TT-392 wrote: post #60

I am currently in bed, sick from covid, can you guys stop scaring me?

Can recommend reading a book and turning off the devices. Cryptonomicron is a good read.

> Cryptonomicron

I chuckled. Was it an intentional typo?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by shermand89 »

gpu_explorer wrote: post #129
shermand89 wrote: post #122

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> I'm probably going to get down voted, which only proves my points. It proves precisely none of your points. Data please.

Data please? Have you been living under a rock?

There are very intelligent people on HN, but this weird obsession with data and scholarly articles is honestly stupid. We're not talking about events that occurred 100 years ago, we are all living this right NOW!

Personal and eyewitness testimonies count for nothing now? You're going to pretend that data is not manipulated? If you knew any history, you would know how common it is that data is manipulated.

Tell me, do you not see ANYTHING suspicious about what has been going on for the past 3 or even 6 years?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by abc_lisper »

tux1968 wrote: post #71
abc_lisper wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, taking the vaccination reduces the chance of myocarditis. https://theconversation.com/myocarditis-covid-19-is-a-much-b...

I don't see anywhere in that article where it states that myocarditis is less prevalent in patients who subsequently get Covid. Would you mind quoting the relevant bit?

> Based on a study out of Israel, the risk of post-vaccine myocarditis is 2.13 cases per 100,000 vaccinated, which is within the range usually seen in the general population

Because the vaccinated are not immune to the virus, some of them must have gotten covid. The overall risk of this sample still falls with-in the normal range for myocarditis.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by DeWilde »

MrYellowP wrote: post #96
lpolovets wrote: post #88

If I'm reading Figure 5 right in the original paper*, it looks like the biggest cardiac impact is on people who were hospitalized or went to the ICU for covid, and the effect on people who were not hospitalized is present but relatively small. Am I interpreting the data correctly? * https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3 h/t to @greenyoda for posting elsewhere in this thread.

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But that is what the paper says, or am I reading it wrong? That is having a case of Covid that leads to hospitalization will also put you at 30 to 60 times more likely to have a heart-disease.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by xupybd »

jmpman wrote: post #139

New Zealand has been basically isolated and Covid free for the past year. Their population is approaching 95% vaccinated. It would be interesting to see statistics on heart disease rates in their population over the past year, as we could then be certain any increase is vaccine related and not Covid related.

We had over 400 for the first time today. Soon our Covid free status will end. Omicron is unstoppable.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

blkhp19 wrote: post #115
meheleventyone wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the worst conclusion to jump to by the way. I had a heart attack last year at 39 with no larger cause that could be established. No chronic heart disease, exercised regularly, no family history and so on. It’s just one of those things that can happen. I then went on to get vaccinated, have COVID and get a booster all without issue.

Did you have any symptoms leading up to it? Perhaps you were wearing an Apple Watch?

I hope wearing an Apple watch is not a risk factor for heart attacks? :-)

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by dijit »

uptownfunk wrote: post #106

This comment will probably get flagged, but I am genuinely curious from a scientific lens. What is the distribution of post-COVID heart disease conditional on having taken the vaccine?

This is actually the best reason to have people remain unvaccinated, and to not strictly mandate vaccines.

I'm pro-vax (god, why do I have to say that?) but what's seriously pissed me off about this whole COVID thing is how quickly it became political. At the beginning there was a real sense of "we're in this together" but now you can be pretty certain of someones political affiliation if they choose not to wear a mask.

Vaccines prevent you getting the worst of the illness, they don't really prevent you catching and infecting others, so vaccines are a "cure" for overwhelmed healthcare systems and a protection for the individual.

So why do you need to have a vaccine pass to go places? You can still carry the virus and infect people.

Having unvaccinated parts of the population means we can track if it was the wise decision or not, hindsight is 20-20 and it seems obvious to me now that we should vaccinate.. But it also seemed obvious in the 50s that fireproofing buildings with asbestos was the right decision too.

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