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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by permalac »

gypsyharlot wrote: post #63
wesleywt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . So indirectly getting vaccine will lower your risk since of heart disease as everyone will eventually get covid.

This is competely wrong. See https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...

I've not read the article, but others are using it to present the opposite opinion.

Could you elaborate? I'm actually interested more in your opinion than on the mainstream one.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by Gareth321 »

raverbashing wrote: post #87
csee wrote: post #34

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> The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . What are you basing this on? There was a recent UK study (preprint, last I checked) of 40 million people that showed that the risk of myocarditis was definitively higher compared to Covid in the Moderna sample and higher (albeit statistically insignificant) in the Pfizer sampler for young men. > So indirectly getting vaccine will…

Exactly why, after this was found out, young people were vaccinated with Pfizer and not Moderna

As per the linked study (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...) the risk is still higher for the Pfizer vaccine than with covid.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by L_Rahman »

kodah wrote: post #84
dzink wrote: post #39

COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Like you I was a 50km/30 mile wake up and go person regardless of baseline health before the pandemic. Since I got the original strain in March 2020, I struggle to break 10.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by csee »

yaris wrote: post #90
csee wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The rate of myocarditis is much higher if you get Covid than if you get the vaccine . What are you basing this on? There was a recent UK study (preprint, last I checked) of 40 million people that showed that the risk of myocarditis was definitively higher compared to Covid in the Moderna sample and higher (albeit statistically insignificant) in the Pfizer sampler for young men. > So indirectly getting vaccine will…

As I read the text of the study ( https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v... ) it directly says: "First, we confirm and extend our previous findings in more than 42 million persons that the risk of hospitalization or death from myocarditis following COVID-19 infection is higher than the risk associated with vaccination in the overall population." Is it another study you have where the risk [] is…

This same thing comes up in every discussion of this study.

That statement isn't talking about the young male cohort. In the body of the study, it says the same thing that I said above.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by dijit »

laurent92 wrote: post #98
kodah wrote: post #84

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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

I think on a macro scale you're right, attitudes and disciplines are also somewhat to blame.

Sweden, though, did not lock down, and I hear (and experience) the same issue as the parent.

The first day back after COVID and I reached my max heart rate in 60s of moderate jogging.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by csee »

piva00 wrote: post #108
gypsyharlot wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v...

From the paper, 3rd paragraph from the end in the "Main" section: > "First, we confirm and extend our previous findings in more than 42 million persons that the risk of hospitalization or death from myocarditis following COVID-19 infection is higher than the risk associated with vaccination in the overall population." Quick edit: while I was skimming the paper someone else commented exactly this excerpt, hehe.

That statement is inclusive of old people and women.

I am talking about young men. The study says what I said above.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by parineum »

laurent92 wrote: post #98
kodah wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

Presumably they are using non-infected people as a control.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by youngtaff »

shermand89 wrote: post #122

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There were lots of reports of blood clots, heart attacks, strokes etc in Spring 2020

Perhaps you should go back and read more of the reports at the time

You might also want to read the reports on vaccine effectiveness and side effects

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