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The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by ryeights »

conductr wrote: post #291
rajeshp1986 wrote: post #87

I went to a local college few days back and I noticed that there were more girls than boys. I think part of the reason is due to high college debt many young men are choosing to take jobs and skipping college all together. This will translate to less men in the knowledge based/corporate jobs.

The high paying vocational jobs also tend to be more geared towards males. Eg. plumbing, electrician, etc. So I wonder if college is the best measure here. I think most people just go to college as a means of making money, they aren't actually in it for the love of knowledge.

People go to college because that is what they are told they should do. Everything else is secondary.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by syndacks »

01100011 wrote: post #614
awaythrow483 wrote: post #359

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I'm 33, Ive got a fairly high IQ, make $340k in a STEM field and enough to retire tomorrow, I'm not unattractive, and put a huge amount of effort over many years into online dating. I've pretty much given up on dating. I have a total inability to find anyone I'm interested in that is interested in me. When I was younger and I wanted to go to bars and get drunk and be an idiot I had plenty of attractive sexual partner…

> anyone I'm interested in that is interested in me. Perhaps this is your problem? I've seen this with folks at work. They're middle aged, successful, extremely bright and they want to find a mate. The problems as I see it: 1. They insist on living in "Man Jose" aka SiValley. There is a serious lack of demographic diversity here. 2. They want to find a bright, attractive woman with an amazing career, 10/10 body who i…

…but he makes $340k

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by nautilius »

blackoil wrote: post #767
nautilius wrote: post #745

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He is using Indian numerals and roman script. Though with Bangladeshi ancestry he can make full claim on the numerals.

Then my analogy is unintentionally even more fitting.

But also: TIL.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by confidantlake »

symlinkk wrote: post #538
eropple wrote: post #517

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I used to think that. I genuinely did. I thought that the bar was all the way up in space and that it’s impossible to reach it. I was pretty lonely. Of course, I used to also think that my value was in my net worth and you could have seen all the way from space the “I’m an asshole and I don’t know why nobody will date me” vibes radiating off of me. Then I grew up, I chilled out, and I put conscious effort into things…

> listening, and exercising my capacity for empathy, and trying to be pleasant to be around None of that matters if you aren’t attractive. You have to be attractive for girls to swipe right on you and start a conversation in the first place.

You can work on being attractive with good diet and exercise.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by confidantlake »

epolanski wrote: post #601
symlinkk wrote: post #496

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The selection process is on Tinder, not the maternity ward, and the bar is brutally high there for men.

Tinder isn't for relationships, it's a disgusting people market for hook ups. Every profile is basically an ad for a person. Online dating is toxic, most people I know that used it years ago are still there safe for few unicorns. How could it possibly be? Weren't they lookimg for someone? Maybe because it distorts relationships and people as commodities thus making meaningful relationships harder to initiate, maintai…

What is disgusting about consenting adults wanting to hookup?

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by UncleMeat »

throwaway46jt7 wrote: post #794
mbfg wrote: post #695

I think a big part of the despair is the obvious difference between what children are taught is the american dream vs what the american reality is. We are told america is the best place on earth with all the doors open to you to be rich. That all other forms of government are flawed and we have excellence here everywhere you look. And then you look at reality and see something else. Sure there are pockets of excellen…

> We are told america is the best place on earth with all the doors open to you to be rich. That all other forms of government are flawed and we have excellence here everywhere you look. What other countries are great compared to America? With all its flaws America is the only country where you can dream of building spaceships, create multi billion dollar tech companies in less than a decade. Any ideology that forces…

> With all its flaws America is the only country where you can dream of building spaceships, create multi billion dollar tech companies in less than a decade.

Why are these top priorities? Metrics like happiness seem like much more valuable metrics than number of spaceships or massive tech companies.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by nautilius »

xhevahir wrote: post #779
nautilius wrote: post #622

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You prove my point. You won't find many atheists (if any) that will take Jesus as in any shape or form a historical person. These are two different worlds. Atheists don't derive their morals from these stories, that's the difference. That there is some superficial overlap (a tree? presents?) doesn't allow you to claim the morality of atheists as religion-derived. That's ludicrous. It's like saying the local butcher t…

>Atheists don't derive their morals from these stories, that's the difference. The notion that atheists--or Christians, for that matter--ground their moral reasoning in first principles, completely free of unexamined assumptions and social convention, is so laughable that I'm amazed anyone here is seriously suggesting it.

Wow, you destroyed that strawman!

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by feraligators »

throwaway46jt7 wrote: post #888
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I was collecting FANG salaries in the states. I was in the 1% for my age, and most people would consider this the "American dream". I was miserable. I moved to Japan with a much lower income, but my standard of living is so much more higher. > you may not realize how powerful America's culture of individual freedom has impact on other countries Does individual freedom include not wearing masks? Does individual freedo…

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Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by dasKrokodil »

pcmoney wrote: post #579
edmcnulty101 wrote: post #239

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I think the obesity problem is linked to the fact that many people have to work 60 hours a week to survive and don't have the time/energy to get in shape. Capitalism has taken a large swath of people out of the dating game just due to working to survive.

Capitalism has taken more people out of poverty than anything else on planet earth and produced incredible abundance and flourishing in the past 200 years. Socialism has failed every time it has been tried. (Also stop describing everything you don’t like as “Capitalism”, it is intellectually lazy, instead describe what aspect of Capitalism caused the thing you don’t like directly and provably and with a clear alterna…

> Capitalism has taken more people out of poverty than anything else on planet earth and produced incredible abundance and flourishing in the past 200 years.

That's not wrong, but it came at the cost of massively depleting the oil reserves and polluting the ecosystems.

Re: The data are clear: The boys are not all right

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Post by helloworld11 »

beckman466 wrote: post #833
btilly wrote: post #701

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Question. How would you suggest I square your claims about Arab society with the observed fact that every year thousands of girls die in Arab countries from honor killings. And the fact that, as https://www.statista.com/statistics/1019538/mena-arab-respon... shows, in many of these countries, significant minorities think that such killings are justified. Killing your own child suggests to me that kinship means rather…

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Sorry, but I call bullshit on this being Islamophobia. It might be a mistaken assertion of facts but there's nothing inherently Islamophobic in making specific criticisms of specific practices in Islamic society. They certainly exist, just as things worth criticizing or condemning exist in other societies. Moral relativism doesn't take away from the reality that some practices in some societies are indeed especially ugly and worth condemning by any widespread moral standard. This condemnation doesn't automatically deserve the label of "Islamophobic" when applied to Islam. The progressive left in the west and even some feminist groups have for decades turned a blind eye to repression of women in the Muslim world due to exactly these kinds of mental gymnastics and it's reprehensible considering their claimed moral postures in other contexts.
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