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Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by Krasnol »

inglor_cz wrote: post #90
Krasnol wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So are they not allowed to write about the "far right" or doesn't it exist according to you?

As someone mentioned somewhere, there are more articles in mainstream media mentioning Ku Klux Klan than there actually are KKK members. The far right exists and is potentially dangerous, but overconcentrating on it will let other dangers fly under the radar.

I don't get how reporting it equals over reacting to an actual real life thread where even you admit that it is potentially (why "potentially" though?) dangerous.

FYI: this is not just the US. Far right groups organise all over the world there.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by SecurityLagoon »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #227
vinay427 wrote: post #217

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Telegram doesn't support bots and most other advanced features for E2EE conversations either. It seems at least as valid (IMO) to speculate that WhatsApp's lack of API/bot support is due to an additional technical hurdle than its dominant market status.

> Telegram doesn't support bots I think it does: https://core.telegram.org/bots

You missed it was in the context of E2EE chats.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by gaius_baltar »

shp0ngle wrote: post #23

This article is good. Telegram is really weird and sketchy; the rants Durov posts on his channel against WhatsApp usually make no sense; and their claims of security are dubious. And TON was a disaster. On the other hand. If I did any social organizing today, I would definitely use Telegram. Signal is fine , but nobody is using it and the UX is just worse. I don't trust Facebook to randomly not shut everything down b…

> I still think Telegram will plainly run out of money in a few years (you can use it to host unlimited amount of data and share it with unlimited number of people!! that is not sustainable), but well, I will use them before they do.

And then they will start selling all the personal data they gathered in all these years. They have all the data, except for the tiny amount that passed through secret chats (but they also have the metadata for these, tied to accounts and all the non-secret stuff).

The kind of data Signal can't sell even if Moxie turns evil, simply because Signal does not have it.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by selfhoster11 »

noxer wrote: post #203
8note wrote: post #13

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Some Jan 6 folks did. Presumably not all of them did

The whole Jan 6 thing is a complete joke. Many people outside the USA can not even understand why this is still a thing people talk about, compare it to terrorism and even to the 9/11 attacks. Its completely insane. I remember 9/11 from outside USA. It "broke" the normal way people lived their life. Jan 6 on the other hand did nothing, no one cared. Only US propaganda media made a huge deal out of it. And they keep t…

That's because Jan 6 turned into a failed, and very incompetently executed attempt at a coup.

9/11 may have been devastating in many ways, but Jan 6 was an attack at the very structure of the American democracy. They tried to install a leader of the country who wasn't actually the one elected by the majority. If they succeeded, it would be a major blow to American credibility and founding story of a "democratic nation by the people, for the people".

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by SecurityLagoon »

egberts1 wrote: post #184
thwoeriu234 wrote: post #105

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Telegram is the only platform that "works" on Jolla. WA/Signal are both proprietary and will not work outside the Google-Apple "pleb sandbox".

Pffft. Signal is proprietary? it is on https://Github.com/SignalApp and i’ve got my own variant of Signal server and client running. and runs on not only mobile but Linux too.

Out of curiosity why do you run your own Signal server when there is no federation?

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by ffpip »

AnonC wrote: post #215
zoobab wrote: post #195

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For me, Telegram FOSS client stopped working. Telegram server side is open source?

The Telegram server code is not open source. It's been in the "we will open source everything at some point in time" limbo for years.

Durov has said server code will not be open sourced since it would help countries block them more easily. They use many methods to avoid being blocked by government.

Also, https://t.me/durovschat/515221

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by gonehome »

konart wrote: post #214
smt88 wrote: post #81

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"Encryption isn't useful because you can be tortured" is a bizarre and ridiculous argument. The police can only make you talk if they know who to make talk in the first place. Reading your messages tells them who to interrogate, where to find them, who else is involved, etc. Encryption is important especially in such countries.

I'm sorry but as someone from Russia - you are wrong. >Reading your messages tells them who to interrogate, where to find them, who else is involved, etc. Why read my messages if they can start from me? Or that other guy who posted something on twitter? Or any other place? Or talked to someone. I'm not saying encryption is unimportant. I'm saying that it really only matters as long as all parties involved keep their…

It's not a binary thing.

If you can choose secure communication vs. insecure communication you're better off choosing secure. You're right of course this doesn't protect you 100%, but it's a lot better than not having secure communication.

Does that mean even with Signal your friend could be compelled to unlock their phone and reveal the comms? Sure. It's still better to have that be the requirement than access to all comms by default. It requires more specific and high effort targeting. It makes it harder to just query keywords generally to find people. It's the better default state.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by gonehome »

vinay427 wrote: post #142
grandpoobah wrote: post #117

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Nobody I know gives a shit that it's not E2E encrypted. It's a kick ass instant messenger, that's all that matters to most people. Vastly superior to Signal and others in almost every way.

Sure, but it’s for some reason framed as a WhatsApp competitor even in countries where Facebook Messenger is relatively popular, which seems silly to me. It appears to fill a similar feature niche as Facebook Messenger, not WhatsApp, even if these two categories can be somewhat conflated for most uses.

Yeah, the irony is they position themselves as 'anti-facebook' and they're worse for the user than FB's whatsapp product from a security standpoint.

I'd probably even trust FB's unencrypted messenger content to be better protected than telegram.

They clearly have a loyal fan following though.

Re: Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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Post by lacogubik »

swah wrote: post #176

The "sad thing" is that Whatsapp is 10x-50x more popular in my country and its quite hard to integrate (APIs, bots) compared to Telegram, at least for "small business". I wonder if Telegram would also be more closed if it was #1...

WhatsApp recently launched hosted API [1] for faster and easier integration for small business

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/01/whatsapp-brings-its-busine...

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