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I’d rather have a generally applicable law in place. If we think massive data collection shouldn’t be allowed then ban that.
How would you ban data collection happening in a foreign country?
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I'm in my mid-40s: there's nothing deep or mysterious to "get" about TikTok. It's short-form video snips/vignettes, mainly of people showing off for their friends, trying to cash in on short-lived audio trends and meme pipelines, and sometimes both. It reminds me of the kind of bravado/showing off my peers in middle- and high-school did: because that's essentially what it is. Edit for more context: I happen to be dat…
If you were writing this in 2019 I would agree with you. This perception is just already 3 years old now and so that social network has already gotten its additional audiences and many of those high schoolers (and their influencers) have grown up. There is a similarity of looking at Facebook in 2005 and looking at Facebook in 2008, and add in a much faster adoption cycle and infrastructure.
I believe that Facebook and Google collect more of my data than any other company in the world. And I know very well that they share all that data with US intelligence, because that's what they are required to do. That said, I don't see any problem in using another countries' app that might be doing the same thing that bigger violators like FB and Google are already doing. And, notice, I live in the US. For people ov…
But people don't want to talk about that. They want to ban the platforms they perceive as being used to push an opposing political agenda while preserving the platforms they themselves abuse for the same purpose. It is almost funny seeing people who directly benefited from Cambridge Analytica/Facebook turn around and complain about TikTok.
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>> China is not a good faith operator. Who is? I don't mean to be trite or contrary, but TikTok is coming into an environment where norms are pretty damned shady. Google as you and the article say, also consume user data quite unethically. FB likewise surveil us for their advertising businesses. They both also happen to host and control a good chunk of political and politically adjacent content within that framework.…
Every tech company executive in the USA is not required to operate as an agent for one political party by threat of being disappeared. Our entire internet is not locked down to prevent political dissidents from sharing their views. Our government doesn't pay to flood our social media networks with astroturfing to create the illusion of popular support for its policies. These things add a more serious tone to the conv…
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TikTok should be banned in the US. China banned all of our homegrown social networks, its pretty standard international precedent to ban theirs, given the security risks.
I’d rather have a generally applicable law in place. If we think massive data collection shouldn’t be allowed then ban that.
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TikTok should be banned in the US. China banned all of our homegrown social networks, its pretty standard international precedent to ban theirs, given the security risks.
No US tech just doesn't want to follow Chinese law so they left, kind of like how facebook threatened to leave EU recently. If the EU continues with their cyber law.
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I don’t refute anything you say, but linking to a page that features Glenn Beck, Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson doesn’t help your case. Not to mention the clear partisanship and call for donation to the “American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology” - a rabbit hole I’m happy to avoid.
Isn't the whole, "TikTok spies for China" meme also politically motivated, per the last Republican president? I don't doubt that Bytedance shares Chinese TouTiao user data with the Chinese government, akin to how Apple does it with iCloud, but Bytedance has been pretty adamant that TikTok is external to China and doesn't share data. Even when there was an executive order to ban TikTok for being a national security th…
Oh well if they've been _adamant_ then I guess it's true.
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That sounds like a recipe for authoritarianism. Sorry, X thing that I don't like is "anti-US sentiment".
That's why in matters of redress, I always skew towards visibility over modification. The latter is too powerful, in the hands of too few. I've had this same argument with military friends lamenting the prevalence of ex-military citizens among right wing nationalist groups. IMHO, "make people attend classes to fight indoctrination" is too easily repurposed by a future administration to do the exact opposite.
Even if it didn't share data.. it's designed from the beginning to be addictive. While other platforms like Facebook and Instagram grew into being platforms with aims to be addictive, I believe they started in a more neutral place. This type of app should be treated like smoking imo. Queue the "you can find educational material on tiktok!" posts by the subset of HN who really love the app and the company.