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Re: Separating urine from sewage could mitigate some environmental problems

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Drying urine, transporting it, this is extremely energy intensive. There's a much simpler solution: composting toilets. Easy to setup, requires very little input (basically just some dry material like wood shavings (i.e. waste from wood processing that you can sometimes get for free) and you're done. The "humanure" mixed with the dry material goes in a compost bin, sits there for two years, then can be applied to the…

what about contamination? urine is not always sterile upon elimination from the body, potentially bringing along bacterial, drug, and other contaminants.

Re: Separating urine from sewage could mitigate some environmental problems

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Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments, flamebait comments, and ideological battle comments to Hacker News? You've been doing it repeatedly. We've asked you to stop many times over many years.

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At some point, we're going to have to stop cutting you all this slack and ban you. I don't want to ban you, because you also post good comments. But the damage caused by your bad comments is not ok, and we need you to take care of this.

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Re: Separating urine from sewage could mitigate some environmental problems

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Dressed with visual splendor: your food will be synthetic; your home will be abstracted; your leaders bathetic, and your soul distracted. Material austerity is coming.

Is this a known quote from someone? Or where you feeling poetic today?

Re: Separating urine from sewage could mitigate some environmental problems

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Are they seriously arguing that fifty percent of a household's water usage goes into flushing urine? That sounds like bullshit.

According to [1], toilet usage accounts for ~24% of household water usage. The missing 26% to "about half" likely comes from removing the water usage caused by the production of synthetic fertilizer. [1]: https://www.epa.gov/watersense/how-we-use-water

I'm having difficulty finding concrete numbers but I'm doubtful 26% of the world's freshwater use is making synthetic fertilizer.

Re: Separating urine from sewage could mitigate some environmental problems

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Drying urine, transporting it, this is extremely energy intensive. There's a much simpler solution: composting toilets. Easy to setup, requires very little input (basically just some dry material like wood shavings (i.e. waste from wood processing that you can sometimes get for free) and you're done. The "humanure" mixed with the dry material goes in a compost bin, sits there for two years, then can be applied to the…

what about contamination? urine is not always sterile upon elimination from the body, potentially bringing along bacterial, drug, and other contaminants.

The composting process destroys pathogens by several mechanisms. The first is heat: in the pile, thermophilic bacteria raise the temperature through their own biological heat, killing E. coli, Salmonella, etc. My current pile was 149F (65C) yesterday. In a compost pile, those temps will kill pathogens in less than an hour. As a general rule of thumb the following temps/times kill pathogens in compost piles: 140F/60C for 1 hour; 130F/54C for 1 day; 120F/49C for 1 week. To measure this, you get a compost thermometer from a garden store and keep it in the center of the pile at all times, year-round. (The thermometer also serves another function: it indicates the degree to which your pile is biologically active, providing hints about moisture, carbon, and nitrogen levels.) So heat is the first mechanism for killing pathogens. Another is competition: the pathogens are directly killed by other bacteria in the pile.

Once my compost bin is fully built, I let it sit for at least 1 year.

The only thing to be really concerned with is certain chemotherapy drugs. Some of them not only don't break down in a compost pile, but they can cause cancer in people who don't already have it.

The composting process is pretty amazing. It's vastly more hygienic than sewage (lol).

Re: Separating urine from sewage could mitigate some environmental problems

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Dressed with visual splendor: your food will be synthetic; your home will be abstracted; your leaders bathetic, and your soul distracted. Material austerity is coming.

Is this a known quote from someone? Or where you feeling poetic today?

Just feeling poetic and lacking in optimism. On an intergenerational level, I half believe it’s true.

Re: Separating urine from sewage could mitigate some environmental problems

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what about contamination? urine is not always sterile upon elimination from the body, potentially bringing along bacterial, drug, and other contaminants.

The composting process destroys pathogens by several mechanisms. The first is heat: in the pile, thermophilic bacteria raise the temperature through their own biological heat, killing E. coli, Salmonella, etc. My current pile was 149F (65C) yesterday. In a compost pile, those temps will kill pathogens in less than an hour. As a general rule of thumb the following temps/times kill pathogens in compost piles: 140F/60C…

I would also worry a bit about accumulation of drugs like lithium and other contaminants like PFCs. My suspicion is long term closed loop use of toilet compost for food crops could result in unsafe levels of contamination, have you done any research that direction?

Re: Separating urine from sewage could mitigate some environmental problems

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Drying urine, transporting it, this is extremely energy intensive. There's a much simpler solution: composting toilets. Easy to setup, requires very little input (basically just some dry material like wood shavings (i.e. waste from wood processing that you can sometimes get for free) and you're done. The "humanure" mixed with the dry material goes in a compost bin, sits there for two years, then can be applied to the…

Kinda of reminds me of this fun video about a net zero desert house(/commune?).

They proposed/demostrated a cycle that is basically

Shower -> indoor plants -> toilet -> outdoor plants

New Earthships capture more energy, water & food at lower cost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVp5koAOu9M&t=1m45s

Re: Separating urine from sewage could mitigate some environmental problems

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Separating urine from the rest of sewage could mitigate some difficult environmental problems, but there are big obstacles to radically re-engineering one of the most basic aspects of life. I briefly had a project called Pee on a Tree that got mocked and got no traction. This is why Earth is doomed: The simple solutions are derided while people overcomplicate things that don't have to be complicated. Hoomans: Y'all f…

I remember when Obama was roundly mocked for suggesting that people improve gas mileage by checking their tire pressure before road trips. Too easy and effective to be worthwhile, I guess.
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