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I decided to learn/understand why Religion is the center-stage for almost every event that happens to humanity. This year, I’m planning to read the books, at least, of the top 5 religions of the world. Read Bhagavad Gita[1], had read the Bible[2] in hotel stays but will read it again, and the Quran[3] is waiting in the book-shelf. No, not religious at all; in fact, very far from it. Some time back, someone did a nice…

Bhagavad Gita. Sure why not. India does not have enough problems. Its still not recovered from the caste system. Why not bring the strict version and fuck it up like the pre British era. And please do not spread the lies on British for the caste system. The varna system(caste system) is the basis of the vedas(hindu religous book). For those who wants to know what the caste system is, read this essay by an scientist a…

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I think Animal's farm is better and a lot closer to our current system

Some people think that 1984 is mostly about surveillance, but that’s a superficial reading IMO. I think it’s a lot more about bending the truth and suppressing ideas. A quote that haunts me: “Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.” Do we have that freedom in the west, today? Will we have it tomorrow? It’s a lot less clear than one would hope.

Exactly.

Surveillance is one of the methods of control, but it's really about oppressing the way people think, shaping it to suit the needs of The Party.

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Niccolo Machiavelli - The Prince

Man, this is a book that really needs to be paired with an explainer, or you will miss the subtext and come across the exact opposite conclusions: The Prince is a _satire_, a gift to the Medici family that arrested, tortured and exiled him. Everything it praises should be avoided, especially the hypocrisy and corruption of Italy. It dwells on the virtue of a guy who was appointed to lead the papal armies after his da…

Sorry to answer this late, I saw your comment just now.

But I have to completely disagree with your view. The reason I recommend "The Prince" is, because Machiavelli confronts the reader with what actually happens in the real world and not what people think is morally acceptable.

This whole book is rational. It asks you what you want to achieve (or conquer) and gives you a guide on how to achieve it. Without any illusions of moral and what else human kind "invents" to prevent them from achieving certain goals (or prevent them from doing the necessary).

Machiavelli ignores, on purpose, what we call "good" and "bad". He focuses solely on what is purposeful in a given context, which is what I love so much about it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, this is a book that really needs to be paired with an explainer, or you will miss the subtext and come across the exact opposite conclusions: The Prince is a _satire_, a gift to the Medici family that arrested, tortured and exiled him. Everything it praises should be avoided, especially the hypocrisy and corruption of Italy. It dwells on the virtue of a guy who was appointed to lead the papal armies after his da…

Sorry to answer this late, I saw your comment just now. But I have to completely disagree with your view. The reason I recommend "The Prince" is, because Machiavelli confronts the reader with what actually happens in the real world and not what people think is morally acceptable. This whole book is rational. It asks you what you want to achieve (or conquer) and gives you a guide on how to achieve it. Without any illu…

> This whole book is rational.

But like, it literally _is not_. Most obviously an entire chapter is dedicated to how arming the general population is the best way of securing your noble estate, and that is objectively a bad idea for petty dictatorships. There's a reason the British governors of America outlawed guns, and why the US Constitution enshrined the right (and why the slave states did not afford blacks this right[1]).

Even the intro uses a flawed metaphor to explain its qualifications: he claims its easier for a painter to paint a mountain from the valley, because you can see the whole thing. But, as anyone living near the Italian Alps can point out, the mountain is often obscured by foothills, and if you want to see many examples of a mountain peak, climb to the top of one and look around.

He recommends sending your own troops into battle first, and avoiding alliances because they diminish your reputation. Taking that advice is a great way to lose your principality entirely. Without your own garrison, neighbors and mercanaries will have far greater leverage over you, and without alliances you will be at the mercy of those who do have them.

He advises a ruler be feared but somehow not hated or despised. If it were possible to achieve that, his examples laughably do not -- appointing a bastard to govern a city and then parading his head on a pike when that goes badly is not something the burghers will praise, any more than appointing a shitty middle manager who abuses staff and firing them six months later would. Everyone knows you picked the guy, and his failures rub off on you.

If readers today cannot pick this out, then perhaps it is because too much of the context is lost. We no longer live in the era of kings and cannons.

> what actually happens in the real world

I don't think you need to read a book to learn how sociopaths behave, and I don't think the sociopaths themselves need Machiavelli's help on being more sociopathic, and we shouldn't be handing them carte blanch to hang themselves with (nor does Machiavelli do so).

The rest of society deals in what Smith calls "man's desire to be loved and be lovely." We want to earn the respect and admiration of those around us, and we want to believe those are earned honorably, even when we think _everyone else_ is a bastard. Hence bankers arent greedy, they're just "efficiently allocating capital to its highest social value" and earning a small prize in the process. Machiavelli's chief advice of hypocrisy runs counter to this, and the stories we tell ourselves.

[1]: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002107670/historian-uncovers...

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If the book were a paragraph, you wouldn’t be exposing yourself to the idea during the X hours that it takes to read the book.

If it is the duration/repetition that matters, couldn't I just read the same paragraph over and over? It wouldn't be any more dull than the book.

What? Three different anecdotes carry strictly more information than the same anecdote three times. Thus they are more novel and less dull. That’s even assuming no value in the new information - in reality different points of view of exactly the same model can be useful to learn it better.

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I've keep a record of my books read (and unfinished, and written up etc) over the last few years here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WSI8g_9BnNmfUM0ZupN1... If they're 'Written Up', they're generally pretty good.

Great idea! What does 'Written Up' mean?

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I've keep a record of my books read (and unfinished, and written up etc) over the last few years here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WSI8g_9BnNmfUM0ZupN1... If they're 'Written Up', they're generally pretty good.

Great idea! What does 'Written Up' mean?

I took notes and summarized the book for myself. I do this after some time has passed to consolidate the memory

Re: Ask HN: What is one book you would recommend everyone to read?

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The Fatal Shore by Robert Hughes. An absolutely brilliant account of the founding of Australia. A review: https://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Personal/Books/Hughes-Fatal-Shore/ Questions to think about as you read: Why weren't criminals transported to the Americas instead of to Australia? What if they had been? Do governments ever consider the long range implications of their policies? Were German the only people who practiced government-sponsored barbarism against subsets of their own people?
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