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Telegram Became the Anti-Facebook

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"Telegram is favoured by Jihadists" "Telegram is Russian Spying" "Telegram has extremely weak crypto" "Telegram is used by pedophiles" "Telegram is used by far-right terrorists" .... Use Signal! sigh The amount of times people bash on telegram is becoming painful. But lets take a logical argument; NSA has made it's mission in backdooring basically everything. We know from the Snowden revalations that their technical…

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Facebook became the anti-Facebook.

Yeah, from a social network, it turned into disinformation and censorship network! About one year ago I made a post about the Bulgarian gypsies and actually pointed out the discrimination against them and offered a PC-compliant solutions to the problem and they removed my comment, the appeal didn't change their decision, and they've blocked me from posting for a week. Some words always get your comment deleted and you get blocked for at least 24 hours! Pretty much all my friends move to Telegram channels. It's not the same, but nobody enjoys being watched and censored! Well, the guy who probably makes out with his wife in VR and make this the norm so that he feels better of himself cannot get this basic truth, of course.

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This article is good. Telegram is really weird and sketchy; the rants Durov posts on his channel against WhatsApp usually make no sense; and their claims of security are dubious. And TON was a disaster. On the other hand. If I did any social organizing today, I would definitely use Telegram. Signal is fine , but nobody is using it and the UX is just worse. I don't trust Facebook to randomly not shut everything down b…

The funniest thing is that Telegram's group management tools blow anything FB has out of the water by a nautical mile.

If you only need the one channel and you need to manage a 100+ people, Telegram is by far the best tool. For "communities" Discord is a bit better, since you can split stuff to multiple channels. Anyone with basic knowledge of the internet can also install bots on both to manage dozens of different things.

Signal on the other hand is SUPER SECURE (although you will be giving your phone number to everyone), but no bots and no real ways to manage hundreds of possibly unruly people on a single channel.

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> what ultimately matters is how people actually use it, and that is probably in an unencrypted manner I've heard criticisms about Telegram's MTProto encryption on HN, but in my usage of Telegram nobody has ever turned on the secret chats mode enabling it anyway. Anyone privacy-conscious asks me to use Signal, Matrix, or even Threema. I have heard compliments about Telegram sticker packs though, if the other apps wan…

> I have heard compliments about Telegram sticker packs though, if the other apps want more users they could consider making "cute stickers" :) Many of Signal's sticker packs were ported from Telegram: https://signalstickers.com/?s=author%3ATelegram

Is "ported" another word for "stolen"?

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Telegram and Signal are the best we have out of CENTRALIZED solutions. Both are founded by anarchists who like end-to-end encryption and user empowerment. One accuses the other of being less secure and easily backdoored by governments… but the actual problem is — they are both centralized. We don’t even need to resort to conspiracy theories — all Germany would have to do to ban Telegram is make Apple take it out of i…

>... founded by anarchists ... That's reaching deep... seriously?

Marlinspike is a self-described anarchist:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/category/author/moxie-marlin...

Durov seems to be more of a right libertarian type. Whether this qualifies as "anarchist" or not depends on who you ask.

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This article is good. Telegram is really weird and sketchy; the rants Durov posts on his channel against WhatsApp usually make no sense; and their claims of security are dubious. And TON was a disaster. On the other hand. If I did any social organizing today, I would definitely use Telegram. Signal is fine , but nobody is using it and the UX is just worse. I don't trust Facebook to randomly not shut everything down b…

> I still think Telegram will plainly run out of money in a few years (you can use it to host unlimited amount of data and share it with unlimited number of people!! that is not sustainable), but well, I will use them before they do.

FYI they recently got an ad platform https://promote.telegram.org/

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