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Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by hutzlibu »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #275
hutzlibu wrote: post #258

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Yes - and this is also what happens in nature all the time. Only slower and random. And surprise: many plants are poisenous. And even with the slow method of natural breeding, poisenous traits can creep back in. The potential and speed of GMO methods is just way higher. For good and also bad results. So it is not the same.

Right, and GMOs are much more targeted engineering. It's the same bs of "we don't know the future side effects in 30 years" scaremongering of anti vaxxers. Just like with vaccines having plenty of resistant food so people don't starve far overvalue whatever little side effects you might get.

"GMOs are much more targeted engineering."

It is, but with a technology, that is not fully understood.

Or is it fully known for example, why cloned animals live far shorter, than the original? Not as far, as I am aware.

Also, GMO is mainly criticized for its combination with pesticides. The people who believe it damages their souls, are not many.

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Post by misja111 »

wtetzner wrote: post #278
misja111 wrote: post #246

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There are two different kinds of fibers: soluble and insoluble. The insoluble one is the most important for your gut and the one in the article. This fiber you will only find in vegetables and fruits, in particular in sturdy ones such as beans, nuts and full grains.

Isn’t soluble fiber what feeds your gut bacteria?

Your gut bacteria are already getting plenty of food, but to digest the food efficiently, they also need something to hold on to. This is the function of the insoluble fibers.

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by RamblingCTO »

smt88 wrote: post #269
RamblingCTO wrote: post #245

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I think we're actually heading into a ditch there. As if you can heal a depression by just changing serotonin levels or improving the gut health. I would say most often there are good reasons the brain put one into "stop what you're doing right now" mode aka depression. Year long experiences, maybe even the most defining years as children. But I would argue that it might help us move away from SSRIs and stuff. Soften…

I agree that depression is likely so prevalent because it's adaptive in some cases that are increasingly common now. I would suggest that rather than look at childhood experiences exclusively, we can look at current circumstances. It's much, much easier to be depressed when you're poor and have no hope for a better life, for example.

You're right, that was my bias! In therapy at least you also look at the current circumstances as you're patterns of behaviour that one learned in the past hold true today as well.

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Post by freshpots »

rjsw wrote: post #271
freshpots wrote: post #127

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That's not a good argument at all. What 'modification' do you think is a risk and how would it cause the concerns your worried about?

I must have missed the announcement that we had worked out exactly what causes food allergies and intolerance and have promised not to do anything that could trigger them when doing GM.

You miss a lot with a thought process like that.

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Post by BatteryMountain »

aszantu wrote: post #267
BatteryMountain wrote: post #247

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Can you elaborate a bit about smelling it? I've been a bit in hole for the last few months and I noticed that my armpit smell is different. My food all stayed the same.

like amonia or something, sour, no ammount of deodorant can mask it, and the smell can't be removed from clothes. When u wash the clothes you can smell it right when it leaves the washing mashine, it dissappears when it dries but the moment it gets a little moist, like water or sweat the smell is back. I've tried baking soda, different brands of washing detergent, strong vinegar (25%) to no avail. The smell goes away…

Wow thank you. Describing 90% of what's similar for me. Surprised to see the ammonia smell, cause I've had the smell for about 6 months now. I'm not overweight, no diabetes, generally healthy. I do drink caffeine and consider it my problem substance.

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Post by BatteryMountain »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #251
BatteryMountain wrote: post #247

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Can you elaborate a bit about smelling it? I've been a bit in hole for the last few months and I noticed that my armpit smell is different. My food all stayed the same.

If the food stayed the same and you are overweight or near it that could indicate diabetes.

Not overweight, average BMI for my body shape/age/gender. I recently went down the diabetes rabbit hole but not of the symptoms are really present. Interestingly enough, when I sensed changes in smell I immediately thought "diabetes" too.

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by rjsw »

freshpots wrote: post #284
rjsw wrote: post #271

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I must have missed the announcement that we had worked out exactly what causes food allergies and intolerance and have promised not to do anything that could trigger them when doing GM.

You miss a lot with a thought process like that.

Please post a URL to the announcement that I missed.

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by aszantu »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #285
aszantu wrote: post #267

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like amonia or something, sour, no ammount of deodorant can mask it, and the smell can't be removed from clothes. When u wash the clothes you can smell it right when it leaves the washing mashine, it dissappears when it dries but the moment it gets a little moist, like water or sweat the smell is back. I've tried baking soda, different brands of washing detergent, strong vinegar (25%) to no avail. The smell goes away…

Wow thank you. Describing 90% of what's similar for me. Surprised to see the ammonia smell, cause I've had the smell for about 6 months now. I'm not overweight, no diabetes, generally healthy. I do drink caffeine and consider it my problem substance.

good luck! Struggelign with caffeine addiction as well, i manage one-two weeks at a time, decaf is a bit easier than switching to black tea - but the tea is def. better for my nerves

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by sushid »

aszantu wrote: post #229

Someone been telling me, my depression comes from bacteria, I KNOW! Pain is... if I eat something plant based, depression and suicidal thoughts come back. Takes about 4 days after I ate the offending food, stays for 3 days, then I'm back to normal and energetic. Latest experiment was one teaspoon of fermented green squash daily, seemed to work out okay for 5 days or so, then depression came back, BUT I could smell it…

Not a doctor but I'd recommend you look into the carnivore diet. See if that helps with your mental health. Keto is a less hardcore version of the diet that might also help.

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by everybodyknows »

pknight wrote: post #30
everybodyknows wrote: post #12

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Anecdata: Tried various probiotics, no help. Pre-biotics however, have been huge. Search for "resistant starch".

What was your diet like when you were taking them? It's been observed in some studies that delivered mixed results that responders had better diets (i.e. more bacteria friendly components in the diet such as indigestible carbs from vegetables/legumes/fruit etc) whereas non-responders had weaker diets in terms of providing the gut microbes nutrients.

Diet is now generally low-FODMAP, emphasis on reducing fructose, glucose, and sugar alcohols e.g. sorbitol, erythritol, to which I seem especially sensitive -- this may be atypical among IBS patients.
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