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Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by justsomehnguy »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #247
aszantu wrote: post #229

Someone been telling me, my depression comes from bacteria, I KNOW! Pain is... if I eat something plant based, depression and suicidal thoughts come back. Takes about 4 days after I ate the offending food, stays for 3 days, then I'm back to normal and energetic. Latest experiment was one teaspoon of fermented green squash daily, seemed to work out okay for 5 days or so, then depression came back, BUT I could smell it…

Can you elaborate a bit about smelling it? I've been a bit in hole for the last few months and I noticed that my armpit smell is different. My food all stayed the same.

If the food stayed the same and you are overweight or near it that could indicate diabetes.

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

zackmorris wrote: post #99

Just another data point, but my journey through digestive issues and recovery was kicked off by the worst depression and burnout I ever experienced, which started in 2019 and lasted 3 years. My best guess for what happened is that work stress, excessive celebration and coping with the cognitive dissonance of the pre-COVID era and subsequent pandemic, combined with overtraining and the misuse of protein shakes in plac…

Same age as you. I've recently got diagnosed "leaky gut" / auto-immune reaction as well and had food intolerances discovered. Mainly milk / nuts / eggs / grains / beans. Happy to talk and exchange insights if you like.

I created a discord channel if you'd like to join: https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817...

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by JHer »

cesnja wrote: post #97
thenerdhead wrote: post #87

I've seen these studies time and time again. I do wonder what are the practical steps one takes to "repair" or "renew" their gut? I'm not a fan of drugs being the cure. In fact, I don't think they are the first solution people should hope for or supplement with unless it's not practical to get them in a natural way. I feel like we see more and more gut related issues due to depression & depression's little cousin anx…

> what are the practical steps one takes to "repair" or "renew" their gut? Look up nutritionfacts.org and read/view it with a generous pinch of salt. A few years ago it took me half a year to switch to a mostly WFPB diet advertised there and I had no issues whatsoever. My gut is now more resilient, I remember having problems with bloating and/or diarrhea if I ate just a bit more fiber some days. > why aren't we focus…

WFPB = Whole Foods / Plant-Based

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by hirako2000 »

msrenee wrote: post #32
hirako2000 wrote: post #16

or depression causes this bacteria to proliferate more easily? I see nothing in that research showing causation. It doesn't invalidate their correlation though.

Do they claim causation anywhere? All I see is them saying there appears to be a link.

Yes.It establishes linking, and claim further evidences of "causation".

"seems to be “further proof" that inflammation caused by gut microbes can influence mood, Gilbert says."

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

bleomycin wrote: post #225
zackmorris wrote: post #99

Just another data point, but my journey through digestive issues and recovery was kicked off by the worst depression and burnout I ever experienced, which started in 2019 and lasted 3 years. My best guess for what happened is that work stress, excessive celebration and coping with the cognitive dissonance of the pre-COVID era and subsequent pandemic, combined with overtraining and the misuse of protein shakes in plac…

What you have described is EXACTLY what I have been experiencing myself over the last year. This is the first time I have ever seen my symptoms and trajectory laid out like this anywhere, it’s truly surreal. Words cannot convey how much I would appreciate any help finding treatment. I’m honestly nearing the end of my rope dealing with this with no end in sight. I’ve lost 30 pounds of muscle and I’m currently too sick…

Similar for me. I made a discord channel if you like to talk: https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817...

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

imwillofficial wrote: post #238
zackmorris wrote: post #99

Just another data point, but my journey through digestive issues and recovery was kicked off by the worst depression and burnout I ever experienced, which started in 2019 and lasted 3 years. My best guess for what happened is that work stress, excessive celebration and coping with the cognitive dissonance of the pre-COVID era and subsequent pandemic, combined with overtraining and the misuse of protein shakes in plac…

I’m in a similar boat, how did you recover, if you did?

Maybe a discord channel helps for communication (not sure if there is something better?): https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817...

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

rkhassen9 wrote: post #196
zackmorris wrote: post #99

Just another data point, but my journey through digestive issues and recovery was kicked off by the worst depression and burnout I ever experienced, which started in 2019 and lasted 3 years. My best guess for what happened is that work stress, excessive celebration and coping with the cognitive dissonance of the pre-COVID era and subsequent pandemic, combined with overtraining and the misuse of protein shakes in plac…

ZachMorris, the Same thing happened to me. Almost identical. Except have not really been cured. Agree 100% with what you wrote. What was your protocol to heal? I need some pointers as nothing has really helped. Thanks in advance.

Feel free to join: https://discord.com/channels/940186707817562113/940186707817...

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Post by hutzlibu »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #232
hutzlibu wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying oranges and bananas were made with modern GMO methods? I agree that the anti gmo/vaxx etc. crowd is quite irrational in many regards, but I can see a difference between traditional breeding plants - and directly editing DNA.

I don't but we've been doing generical modification by trying to put two random things plants together since dawn of times.

Yes - and this is also what happens in nature all the time. Only slower and random.

And surprise: many plants are poisenous. And even with the slow method of natural breeding, poisenous traits can creep back in. The potential and speed of GMO methods is just way higher. For good and also bad results. So it is not the same.

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Post by dannyw »

rkalla wrote: post #155
zackmorris wrote: post #99

Just another data point, but my journey through digestive issues and recovery was kicked off by the worst depression and burnout I ever experienced, which started in 2019 and lasted 3 years. My best guess for what happened is that work stress, excessive celebration and coping with the cognitive dissonance of the pre-COVID era and subsequent pandemic, combined with overtraining and the misuse of protein shakes in plac…

This was a _fascinating_ read and I thank you for writing that all up - I'm in your "3 year" dip and in the past made attempts at tackling the gut biome issue with cycling probiotics, fresh vegetable fibers, organic/local yogurts, staying away from fake sugars and other dietary things that blow out the biome and even after a few weeks of doing this I never felt any better - would shrug my shoulders and go back to not…

It was almonds for him.

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Post by rpozarickij »

thenerdhead wrote: post #87

I've seen these studies time and time again. I do wonder what are the practical steps one takes to "repair" or "renew" their gut? I'm not a fan of drugs being the cure. In fact, I don't think they are the first solution people should hope for or supplement with unless it's not practical to get them in a natural way. I feel like we see more and more gut related issues due to depression & depression's little cousin anx…

> what are the practical steps one takes to "repair" or "renew" their gut

It was already mentioned in other threads, but you can find valuable insights in the AIP (autoimmune protocol) diet.

Its main principle is that you first eliminate as many foods as possible that are known to cause issues for people (e.g. due to inflammation, autoimmune response) and then you slowly introduce more foods and see how your body reacts.

I recently started following a similar approach in order to try to address some health issues and also to learn more about my body. In my case I'm leaning more towards the carnivore diet with occasional additions of foods allowed in AIP.

In case anyone is curious about the carnivore diet, I found these YouTube channels to contain good content on this topic: KenDBerryMD, Paul Saladino (CarnivoreMD).

I also enjoyed this discussion: https://youtu.be/Xgokvp5bfNg

It's easy to stumble upon conflicting information when it comes to nutrition, but I find that just being exposed to more options (rather than eating what everyone eats by default) can give you an opportunity to make the decisions that make sense to you.

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