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This is the outcome of Apple's 2020 acquisition of Mobeewave. https://www.pymnts.com/apple/2020/apple-buys-mobeewave-for-1... It essentially turns an iOS device into a POS system. Apple already gets 15 bps for all Apple Pay transactions. I'm curious to hear the additional monetization Apple plans to get for this.

I was wondering how this was done. How on earth was what amounted to a userspace app able to talk to the NFC hardware to the extent necessary to process payments?! Presumably the app received the relevant entitlements to be able to do this...? How on earth was it done securely, within the Mobeewave app?

The PCI Security Standards Council has been working on the Secure PIN on COTS (SPoC) standard for a few years: https://blog.pcisecuritystandards.org/new-pci-software-pin-e...

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EDIT: thanks everyone for quickly correcting my mistake, I missed the part that explained that more forms of contactless payments would be accepted I don't really understand why a merchant would use this feature. If you already use a PoS, why would you replace it with another one that only supports customers who own an Apple device? If you accepted only cash, maybe it's a small improvement because you can use your ex…

Sure would be nice if Apple and Google got together to accept each other's systems. Or even better: If there was a standard that let any device send money with any other device (using compatible hardware). Imagine if there was a regulation that required interoperability. Or if the banks were forced to allow (authenticated) payments between systems without transaction fees. We're 20 years overdue for this.

Some kind of permissionless transactions on a decentralized ledger? I don't think the technology exists.

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This is a clear shot across the bow of Dorsey's empire. Given Square's huge portion of their revenue coming from readers, things have to be looking bleak over there. Square is down 61% since October.

I think until this goes out of the "NFC only" card capture space there's going to be room to compete. I don't think you can realistically run a point-of-scale business that doesn't allow mag stripe / chip payment yet. Maybe I'm wrong though.

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post #257

This is a clear shot across the bow of Dorsey's empire. Given Square's huge portion of their revenue coming from readers, things have to be looking bleak over there. Square is down 61% since October.

Square stock lives and dies with bitcoin - wouldn't use the stock as an indicator of this

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post #257

This is a clear shot across the bow of Dorsey's empire. Given Square's huge portion of their revenue coming from readers, things have to be looking bleak over there. Square is down 61% since October.

(I work at Stripe.) Square and Stripe Terminal are designed for pretty different use-cases:

Square is an instant POS that small business owners can use to accept payments for their shops.

Stripe Terminal allows platforms and tech-forward companies to integrate with the Stripe API—to deploy and customize in-person payments for bespoke checkout flows (think Shopify, Lightspeed, or HouseCall Pro).

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Hacker News is such a bizarre place. On the one hand, we have threads about how browsers are fingerprintable and some app is using telemetry and endless discussions on theoretical zero-knowledge protocols and the importance of cryptography and Snowden saying this and that that get voted up to the top. On the other hand, something like this comes up which is basically another step along the "no-one accepts cash" funne…

There's apparently a lack of consensus which isn't surprising since I'm conflicted personally by these issues all the time: the tech itself is really cool, the practical effects and side effects often are not.

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Kinda weird. If a rando retail person pulls out their iPhone and asks me to tap... that's kinda strange in my mind. Something about "how do I know that isn't their personal phone?" would pop in my head. But things that seem awkward can become commonplace.

The prime example I can think of where this makes sense is if you're going to get a haircut, it allows the barber to not need to buy a square attachment for the iphone they already have.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The long slow road to contactless payments. Almost 2 decades along in the technology adoption curve. I was ready for this in 2005. https://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/debt-manage... If course as the article points out, it wasn’t even new technology back then: “ Not Exactly New Tech Mobile introduced the Speedpass in 1997. Speedpass is a small device on a keychain (called a fob) that users wave in front o…

Something I was thinking about the other day is how some modern credit cards technically have four different ways to pay. Swiping pressure-sensitive paper over the raised numbers (the original method) is still possible, though I haven't seen a merchant actually do this since maybe the mid-2000's. Then you have magstripe, chip, and RFID all in the same card. Pretty impressive backwards compatibility, although I think…

> original copy-to-paper mechanism

And when the pressure-stamp machine broke, the merchant would use a pen, and write the card number by hand. No problem.

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