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Post by tanseydavid »

sdze wrote: post #33
MathCodeLove wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's contested is if its the porn itself that causes the addiction or the feedback loop and easy access is what leads to compulsive consumption. No mainstream psychological organization is saying that there are no addictive or compulsive behaviors associated with excess porn consuption, just that it doesnt meet the critia as a medically diagnosed addiction and is closer to a compulsion. For laymen however, referrin…

Porn addiction is a marketing gimmick from the sphere of „nofap“ and co snakeoil salesmen.

Can you point to any real world instance where someone is "marketing" NOFAP and profiting (or attempting to profit) from it?

This assertion seems odd to me.

More importantly: you should not assume that just because you do not suffer from porn addiction that others do not suffer from it.

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Post by tanseydavid »

scrollaway wrote: post #32
MathCodeLove wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glad you took that example and interpreted it in bad faith.

It’s not in bad faith. The example you gave is emblematic of where the cultural differences are. Porn addiction may or may not be a problem but a puritan society only makes it worse. People freaking out about “what if a young’un sees the genitalia of the other gender” are, without fault, part of extreme puritan societies like the USA. There is a similar problem around alcohol addiction and without fault, you’ll find…

You need to recognize that your current understanding of Alcoholism is remarkably uninformed.

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Post by LatteLazy »

lariati wrote: post #57
LatteLazy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Today a 13 y/o boy can see more types of fruit in a supermarket in an hour than every one of his prior-digital age male ancestors have seen combined. Its an absolute stimulus overload. When will we bad fruit? Or maybe things changing isn't necessarily a catastrophe 100% of the time?

Completely moronic take on this. We have no idea what this level of stimulation is doing to boys at development. I think you are confusing the moral aspects with the unknowns here.

We have no idea what the level of exposure to lightbulbs is doing to people. That doesn't prove there is a problem. That's the issue here. Zero evidence is no evidence of a crisis.

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Post by vidarh »

tanseydavid wrote: post #60
LatteLazy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually they do. Specifically insulin but others too. Eating too much fruit actually could turn you blind... And there are a whole bunch of foods that affect your sexual hormone levels too.

Would you still exert this much effort to minimize or trivialize if we were talking about 10 year old children instead of 13 year old children? What if it was 8 year old children? Would you feel differently then?

At 8 and 10 I'd spent time on beaches in Denmark on holiday that were all clothing optional. I'd seen plenty of people of all ages fully nude. It was perhaps a novelty for a few minutes, and then it wore off.

If anything, I'm a bit worried at what growing up in puritan countries without even visiting places like that and getting nudity normalised does to people.

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Post by LatteLazy »

tanseydavid wrote: post #60
LatteLazy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually they do. Specifically insulin but others too. Eating too much fruit actually could turn you blind... And there are a whole bunch of foods that affect your sexual hormone levels too.

Would you still exert this much effort to minimize or trivialize if we were talking about 10 year old children instead of 13 year old children? What if it was 8 year old children? Would you feel differently then?

Yes. Because this is trivial. People have seen genitals for a long time. Humans have coped. If everyone was dying or going insane because the internet makes this different, we'd have noticed starting over 20 years ago. But that hasn't happened.

The minute someone has some actual evidence of a problem, I am all ears, whatever the ages involved (at least until people are consenting adults anyway).

But you comment is, respectfully, exactly what I object to: how I feel about a 4, 8, 12, or 16 year old is irrelevant. Maybe I don't like it. But that doesn't make it harmful. So we should either show some harm or calm down a bit. Or at least admit this is nothing to do with health or child safety, it's just our personally feelings about ickyness...

We've literally had the same moral panics about everything since the dawn of civilization. Just 200 years ago it was common knowledge that showing the legs on a piano would drive me wild with lust. 40 years ago reefer madness was a fact. 20 years ago masterbation made you blind. Now it's porn. Isn't it time we grew up? Aren't we more mentally prepared for change than the victorians?

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Post by nfriedly »

tekknik wrote: post #45
nfriedly wrote: post #21

When I was a kid, I had a joint bank account with one of my parents. When I was around 16 I was able to get a "Check card", which behaved like a debit card in that I couldn't spend more money within was in the account, but it looked like a Visa card to anyone who was processing it. I recall being pleasantly surprised when I learned that I could use that card to "prove" I was over 18.

> When I was around 16 I was able to get a "Check card", which behaved like a debit card in that I couldn't spend more money within was in the account Not relevant to the conversation at hand, and perhaps this is US only, but using a debit card you can absolutely spend more than you have. Sometimes banks won’t remove the funds until the actual transaction posts. Most shops won’t post the transactions until evening. S…

Oh, good point. Now that I think about it, I did overspend by a small amount once, and I remember the bank paid it but charged me a $25 fee so that my account was left at -$26 or whatever. I think my paycheck cleared the next day, and then they refunded the fee when I called and complained.

(I think it's only fraud if you do it intentionally, though.)

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Post by justsomehnguy »

tekknik wrote: post #47
LatteLazy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Today a 13 y/o boy can see more types of fruit in a supermarket in an hour than every one of his prior-digital age male ancestors have seen combined. Its an absolute stimulus overload. When will we bad fruit? Or maybe things changing isn't necessarily a catastrophe 100% of the time?

Fruit and nudity are not the same. Fruit doesn’t trigger hormonal responses, nudity does.

Nudity by itself does not trigger hormonal responses.

Nudity accompanied with a sense of guilt, forbiddeness or assumed hornyness is what triggers different responses.

You can blame 'porn addiction' on nudity as much as you like, completely ignoring the elephant in the room [0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsm4poTWjMs

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Post by vidarh »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #35
scrollaway wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not in bad faith. The example you gave is emblematic of where the cultural differences are. Porn addiction may or may not be a problem but a puritan society only makes it worse. People freaking out about “what if a young’un sees the genitalia of the other gender” are, without fault, part of extreme puritan societies like the USA. There is a similar problem around alcohol addiction and without fault, you’ll find…

I could have easily replaced "breasts" with "intercourse" and the message conveyed would be the same. Children are being exposed to exponentially more sexually charged content in the first few years of their lives than most men historically have been in their entire lives. This isn't a case of rampant puritanism, go to Pornhub (one of the milder purveyors) and tell me that most of their front-page content is a depict…

> I could have easily replaced "breasts" with "intercourse" and the message conveyed would be the same.

The message becomes incredibly different. The very fact that you talk about "sexually charged content" while saying that the message would be the same with "breasts" vs "intercourse" is a demonstration of the cultural differences scrollaway mentioned. A lot of places "breasts" does not automatically imply anything sexually charged.

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Post by justsomehnguy »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #35
scrollaway wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not in bad faith. The example you gave is emblematic of where the cultural differences are. Porn addiction may or may not be a problem but a puritan society only makes it worse. People freaking out about “what if a young’un sees the genitalia of the other gender” are, without fault, part of extreme puritan societies like the USA. There is a similar problem around alcohol addiction and without fault, you’ll find…

I could have easily replaced "breasts" with "intercourse" and the message conveyed would be the same. Children are being exposed to exponentially more sexually charged content in the first few years of their lives than most men historically have been in their entire lives. This isn't a case of rampant puritanism, go to Pornhub (one of the milder purveyors) and tell me that most of their front-page content is a depict…

> and tell me that most of their front-page content is a depiction of healthy sex between two loving adults

Go to [0] and tell me how that is a depiction of a healthy whatever. Also please describe how the paywall on porn sites would help poor 13 y.o. chaps not to see this.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsm4poTWjMs

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