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KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Post by jen20 »

selectodude wrote: post #42
whalesalad wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all I need. I use an app on macOS called sizeup that let's me do this. I can center a window for reading text on my larger display. Fullscreen a window without using the actual native full screen on macOS. Snap left, snap right, up down etc. It can also keep track of hardware profiles, so windows will restore to their bigger sizes and positions when I plug my laptop into a display. https://s3.whalesalad.com/i…

Am I the only person left who still uses Expose? I feel like Apple is going to kill it off, they already rolled it into "Mission Control" and removed all the keybindings.

I use it constantly, but usually via the trackpad. I hadn’t actually noticed any key binding changes!

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Post by pjerem »

zamalek wrote: post #12
anyfoo wrote: post #5

I must be one of the very few "hackerish" minded people that does not really get the appeal of tiling window managers. Even in the early days of Linux I meticulously arranged my overlapping windows in my X11R5 window manager. For example, there are some terminal windows or similar with running logs (or chats) at some of the edges, partially obscured by other windows who make better use of the space they cover. But th…

I think it's purely based on you workflow. I'm a "maximizer," 99% of the time things are maximized on my desktop. A second tile (browser) is usually extremely temporary. Other stuff goes to other desktops. So I general, my layout is highly consistent: just one tile. For what it's worth, hiding the unimportant details in a web page can also be accomplished by zoom/scroll - but that's definitely not to say your approac…

Fellow maximiser here. It’s probably the reason why I still love OSX after all the shitty updates.

The full-screen mode is a marvel of ergonomics once you get it. Just maximize your apps and switch between them with the trackpad like they are virtual desktops (because they, in fact, are).

It’s an awesome mode for a single screen workflow.

Tilings WM are cool but you are rapidly limited with be screen (and even with two).

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Post by djur »

stormbrew wrote: post #50
anyfoo wrote: post #5

I must be one of the very few "hackerish" minded people that does not really get the appeal of tiling window managers. Even in the early days of Linux I meticulously arranged my overlapping windows in my X11R5 window manager. For example, there are some terminal windows or similar with running logs (or chats) at some of the edges, partially obscured by other windows who make better use of the space they cover. But th…

Everything you're describing in this reply just exhausts the hell out of my brain. You're describing an incredibly large amount of cognitive load you hold in your head all the time about where things are and what they mean and how much of them are visible. Tiling WM are largely about just not thinking that much about windows at all. They're visible or they're not, they occupy precise areas on your screen, and moving…

Right, for me the default in a tiling WM has always been one fullscreen pane, which I can split on those occasional situations where I want to see more than one window at a time. Exactly the same as how I use screen or vim (which I use splits in far more often than my WM). If I'm not using a window right now I don't need or want to see it.

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Post by djur »

pjerem wrote: post #52
zamalek wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's purely based on you workflow. I'm a "maximizer," 99% of the time things are maximized on my desktop. A second tile (browser) is usually extremely temporary. Other stuff goes to other desktops. So I general, my layout is highly consistent: just one tile. For what it's worth, hiding the unimportant details in a web page can also be accomplished by zoom/scroll - but that's definitely not to say your approac…

Fellow maximiser here. It’s probably the reason why I still love OSX after all the shitty updates. The full-screen mode is a marvel of ergonomics once you get it. Just maximize your apps and switch between them with the trackpad like they are virtual desktops (because they, in fact, are). It’s an awesome mode for a single screen workflow. Tilings WM are cool but you are rapidly limited with be screen (and even with t…

My main gripe with the macOS fullscreen mode is that there's no way to force the non-fullscreen desktop to stay in one place. If something in a fullscreen app pulls up the desktop (for instance, running an installer you just downloaded), the desktop gets moved to the next position. I want to force it to stay in one place (or, ideally, have a gesture or hotkey to switch between my fullscreen windows and the desktop). I could do this with most of the tiled WMs I've used.

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Post by djur »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #31
anyfoo wrote: post #5

I must be one of the very few "hackerish" minded people that does not really get the appeal of tiling window managers. Even in the early days of Linux I meticulously arranged my overlapping windows in my X11R5 window manager. For example, there are some terminal windows or similar with running logs (or chats) at some of the edges, partially obscured by other windows who make better use of the space they cover. But th…

I think my ideal WM would me split the screen up regions, then I populate the regions with a bunch of apps. Where as in tiling WMs all your windows need to be visible.

A lot of tiling window managers also support tabbing or stacking of windows within tiles. That's always how I used ion and wmii, off the top of my head.

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Post by slimsag »

djur wrote: post #54
pjerem wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fellow maximiser here. It’s probably the reason why I still love OSX after all the shitty updates. The full-screen mode is a marvel of ergonomics once you get it. Just maximize your apps and switch between them with the trackpad like they are virtual desktops (because they, in fact, are). It’s an awesome mode for a single screen workflow. Tilings WM are cool but you are rapidly limited with be screen (and even with t…

My main gripe with the macOS fullscreen mode is that there's no way to force the non-fullscreen desktop to stay in one place. If something in a fullscreen app pulls up the desktop (for instance, running an installer you just downloaded), the desktop gets moved to the next position. I want to force it to stay in one place (or, ideally, have a gesture or hotkey to switch between my fullscreen windows and the desktop).…

Oh my god, this, this, this!

I've basically trained myself not to click links anywhere, because I know the macOS window manager will f* up my virtual desktop order and I'll have to fix it.

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Post by aorth »

markstos wrote: post #36
anyfoo wrote: post #5

I must be one of the very few "hackerish" minded people that does not really get the appeal of tiling window managers. Even in the early days of Linux I meticulously arranged my overlapping windows in my X11R5 window manager. For example, there are some terminal windows or similar with running logs (or chats) at some of the edges, partially obscured by other windows who make better use of the space they cover. But th…

Sway supports both tiling and floating windows and you can define the rules and defaults as you wish. For example a browser window tiled with an editor and a media player floating on top. You could have one virtual desktop that defaults to tiling and another to floating. With a keyboard shortcut you can toggle a window between the two states. I was aware of tiling window managers for a decade before I switched from G…

> Sway

Sway also supports a tabbed layout! I'm a full-time window maximizer (as are sibling commenters). I keep all windows fully maximized and organized on virtual desktops: web and music on 1, terminals on 2, email and office on 3, etc. Love it!

Windows being fully maximized was something I learned to like from GNOME 3 when it came out a decade ago. I used Openbox, Fluxbox, GNOME and others for years and I would never go back. Never KDE though. Too messy...

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Post by mackrevinack »

anyfoo wrote: post #5

I must be one of the very few "hackerish" minded people that does not really get the appeal of tiling window managers. Even in the early days of Linux I meticulously arranged my overlapping windows in my X11R5 window manager. For example, there are some terminal windows or similar with running logs (or chats) at some of the edges, partially obscured by other windows who make better use of the space they cover. But th…

for me, a good in-between is using the "super + left click & drag" to move windows around and "super + right click and drag" to resize a window. they allow you to move or resize when you cursor is anywhere in the current window instead of only at the edges. it makes it really quick to perform and can be done it of the corner of you eye.

setting a window to always-on-top with a hotkey is another useful one

Re: KDE: A Nice Tiling Environment and a Surprisingly Awesome DE

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Post by spockz »

cam_l wrote: post #21
rodgerd wrote: post #19

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For me, the PowerToys tools are the gold standard here ( https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/fancyzone... ), especially the Canvas mode: remember where I like my applications, and put them there, including whatever peculiar layout that I think is important.

Agree.. but if only we could stop windows from stealing focus.

Ah well. Stealing focus is happening more and more in macOS. A great annoyance…
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